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speedyminidave

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I have had this problem for some time now, my engine seems to cut out and back fire once the engine has warmed up. Once this has happend it will not pick up at all.

I have changed reg, lowered boost, fitted bleed valve (correctly this time), fuels lines are 10mm, did the t-pice trick - helped for short while but problem persist. Tested pump by using a mpi tank problem still there so put old one back on.

Seeked advice from Dereks mini centre and Avonbar, they have not had this problem before but reccomend not to take it on rolling road. But they think it is fuel related.

Covered a total of 200 miles max since fitting the engine in Dec 2003. Getting pretty desprate now - impossible to drive any where. Would be gratefull for any suggestion at all.

Could it be the Carb??? this is my next port of call...

Thanks *oh well**frown**crying*


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On 13/02/2005 22:16:18 speedyminidave said:

I have had this problem for some time now, my engine seems to cut out and back fire once the engine has warmed up. Once this has happend it will not pick up at all.


Sounds 100% like a faulty ignition module or coil (i suspect the former).

A simple check:
acquire a small 12v lamp - by small i mean 'instument panel' kind of small, not side repeater small...

run two long pieces of wire through the bulkhead and into the engine bay. connect these to the + and - side of the coil (doesn't matter which one).
Back in the car, wire the lamp to the wires (polarity not important). You may also want to put a simple switch in series with one of the wires to turn the bulb off for when not needed.
Hold the lamp to the dash or somewhere obvious with insulation tape, blu-tak, etc...

Start the engine. At tickover, the bulb will clearly be flickering (flashing very quickly). As you rev the engine, it will appear to glow brighter - basically it's getting more pulses / second than at tickover so is on longer and hence brighter. After around 3000rpm, it doesn't appear to get brighter.

So, go for a drive. If your engine falters at the exact same time the bulb flickers on and off, it's definaltley an ign live supply, coil or (most likely) ign module causing problems.

If it stays illuminated when it 'misses', then it's not module related. It could still be coil (possible), rotor arm (unlikely) cap (possible), or the master HT lead at fault of course... Or a completely different cause.

Before i went over to EFI, I always had a bulb permanently rigged via a switch so I could 'turn on' this test circuit when a misfire developed - it's a VERY usefull tool... Incidentally, I used to go through modules every 1000-3000 miles becuase I was using a lucas gold coil. Swapping to a stock 12v coil from a montego solved it once and for all. Everyone knows this nowadays, but at the time, none of the mini specialists could help, and ALL the major ones from the time (late 90's) said gold coils worked fine with the metro electronic ignition modules...

ps - too large a bulb will stop the coil working at all as it'll raise the resistance the module is seeing, hence it'll never send out a pulse.

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Edited by turbodave16v on 13th Feb, 2005.

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speedyminidave

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is the module the same on a standard mg metro as on the turbo? if so I have one. Would this work do you think? thanks for your help


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Sure, You need the heat conductive jelly/grease to go between the module and dizzy body aswell... Electronics shop?

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speedyminidave

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tried the module - some luck. Went ok for about five miles - which is further than normal, but died at about 60 mph - had to pull over for five minutes then tried to pull away. After its done it once it continues. Seems to happen in fourth gear coming on boost - it like driving up an hill/ no pull.

It seems to be when engine is warm... have you heard of this problem before?


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I would try a bit of freezer spray on the module when it is playing up see if that cures it tempary till it heats up again.
I had this on a fiat before on the crank sensor.

Also have you got the heatsheild between turbo and carb????


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So you tried swapping your existing for another module that is of unknown condition?

On 14/02/2005 21:36:12 speedyminidave said:

It seems to be when engine is warm... have you heard of this problem before?


Yes I have. I used to take modules off scrappers and use them. Always happened once the engine was hot. Only when i swapped for a brand spanker module, with the heat-conductive jelly applied did the problem finally disappear for good.

On 14/02/2005 21:36:12 speedyminidave said:

tried the module - some luck. Went ok for about five miles - which is further than normal,

So you did see a difference when you tried a different (but unkown) module?

Is this not all pointing towards it being the module?*oh well*

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Or not been fitted with enough heat conductive grease so it goosed the next module you tried *smiley*


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sounds like the coil or fuel pressure regulator to me


speedyminidave

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waiting for new module to arrive and think rebuilding the carb won't harm either. How much are the rebuild kits? Have changed fuel regulator for a brand new one. Have not swapped coil, which one would you recommend - i was told the gold ones were no good for the wiring is this true.

Sorry to be a pain or sound thick but how much conductive grease I am suppose to apply?

If only I had all this knowledge before I started this project. Thanks for your help I can see the weekend is going to be a busy one.


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Grease - use steel wool to clean the dizzy body for maximum conductivity. Apply a thin 'smear' all over the surface of the module, and screw down. Excess will be squeezed out - but don't treat it like icing a cake kinda thickness!

You want a coil (can't go wrong with a Lucas) for a 12v Electronic ignition - this is of course assuming you have got rid of the balast resitor in the mini loom and are running a full 12v at the coil?

oh fook - that's something i didn't suggest to begin with, which could make for a lousy spark under load (don't know if it'd damage a module though...)

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Carb rebuild kits are ?43 including the post from me *smiley*
thats including spindles, bearings, and a new plain butterfly. plus all the seals, gaskets etc.
No-one ever has all the knowledge so its always handy to have somewhere to share it *smiley*

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