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Hi!

How long did they make 1275 A+ blocks with the Leyland logo on the back? It's a WFM1024 casting, but with Leyland logo on the back. 12G1505 crank & pre-A+ rods. Never seen one like it before... Trying to put a date on it.

Engine no: 12H694AAZ -> Allegro!?

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Real early A+ engines still had the pre verto clutch and inertia starter, so they probibly also used the ground fillet radii type 'pre A+' crank and rods too.

I have evidence of A+ engine derivatives from as early as 1978.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Yes, it had a pre A+ flywheel with it, though I can't tell if it was fitted to the engine. But I guess so.

1978 - that's interesting! I thought they appeared in 1980 for the first time :)

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Doesn't looke like fillet radii?






Oh, and can you spot the error?



*angry*

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WTF is going on with the oil relief!

nice A+ rods too.

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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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On 20th Sep, 2010 Joe C said:
WTF


Exactely my thoughts......*oh well* *angry*

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Maybe they were just using up stocks of parts, so it could be one of the first a plus engines.

vizard talked about production problems related to the rolled fillet radii cranks in early engines so they may have reverted to the earlier cranks. not that they sorted them out much later on. I'm pissed off that 2 later a+ cranks I have got, have sharp edges around the rolled fillet radii so am not happy about using them for modification for the twink turbo engine.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


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On 20th Sep, 2010 Asphalt said:
Doesn't looke like fillet radii?





The 'A+' 6232 crank has a rolled fillet (Metallurgy . a concave strip forming a rounded interior angle in a foundry pattern http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fillet ) rather than a ground fillet as pictured above.

and yes, WTF is going on with that, looks fresh if you ask me.

Edited by Sprocket on 20th Sep, 2010.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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1505 is a bog std A crank.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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Interested to see if the main bearings are groove/ groove :)

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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On 20th Sep, 2010 Sprocket said:
Interested to see if the main bearings are groove/ groove :)


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Well, there you go. Thats where the 'Turbo blocks are better' comes from *wink*

I knew this already, but couldn't depict it, as the block I had, I cut up for the sectioning pictures, and threw the caps away. Doh!

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Are you implying "It's worth fixing this mess"? :)

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Could it be fixed?

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


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On 21st Sep, 2010 John said:
Could it be fixed?


I guess so. I'm thinking about a cylinder/cup shaped thingy the right lenght (for the spring) with 6 drillings and fucking good sealant (copper ring!?).

It's not quite visible, but the 6 holes have a thread. I guess from a previous similar attemp to fix it...? Though I can't think of any reason why someone would fix a broken thread like this... *Confused*

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Yep that should do the trick, there is no real oil pressure in there so it should seal up ok.

I guess it could have been whacked there in an accident and cracked off.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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I guess if you have another block use that and just sit on this one for the future.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


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Hmm - I'm rather trashing this one and keep the better blocks for the future :)

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On 21st Sep, 2010 Asphalt said:
Are you implying "It's worth fixing this mess"? :)


I am implying, that is where peopel get the idea that turbo blocks are better. IE early A+ blocks had groove/ groove bearings while early turbo blocks had plain/ groove bearings. Blocks from around 1987 ish all have the plain/ groove bearings making them 'turbo' blocks, and supposedly better.

TBH, I wouldn't waste any money ony that block now, but rather put it into storage for when A+ blocks become real expensive. Think of it this way. If you spent 80 Euros repairing that block, you could easily get a bare block for 80 Euros. What is the point of the hassle of repairing it? (for example)

:)

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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I'd use that in a flash. It's just a question about holding the spring in. Easy peasy!

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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My thoughts, V. This onewill not be as valuable in the future, I rather save my good A+ blocks fo that time. And if I can get a block for 80 or less, I'm grabbing it anyway, to store it away.

There are two important things I don't expect to be ever remanufactured: blocks and gearbox cases.

Cheers and thanks for all the input,
Jan

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Oh, btw: I know a DeTomaso A+ block, but this one has a CAM4472 casting number. Must be the same time, 4 cyl. DeTomasos were build from '76 to '82. It too features the diamond-logo.

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