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Nial

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In the video here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUIcEdINWmo

...David Vizard points out that with a 45 degree valve seat when you lift a valve 50 thou then you only get 35 thou clearance between the valve and the seat.

With a 30 degree valve seat if you lift the valve 50 thou you get 43 thou clearance between the valve and seat, giving much better low lift flow.

This sounds a no-brainer, why are't more people using 30 degree seats?


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Because the valves don't centre and wear out.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



Nial

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On 20th Oct, 2010 Vegard said:
Because the valves don't centre and wear out.


Fair enough for a road engine.

Do many people building race engines use 30 degree seats?


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Don't people use 3-angle valve seats?

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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On 20th Oct, 2010 wil_h said:
Don't people use 3-angle valve seats?


Yes, but he's reffering to the actual valve seat being 30deg not the usual 45.

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Oh, I see.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


Mr Joshua

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Now go and get a price for these valves.

most inlet valves come cut with 45 degree seats which have to have extra material added to them (Stelite) then reground to the new 30 degree angle.

Any guesses on how much this process costs, hmm.

£80 per valve! On top of the cost of the valve. Thats why no one uses 30 degree seats.

Edited by Mr Joshua on 20th Oct, 2010.

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Nial

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On 20th Oct, 2010 Mr Joshua said:

most inlet valves come cut with 45 degree seats which have to have extra material added to them (Stelite) then reground to the new 30 degree angle.



If the back of the valve is cut at 45 degrees then you can get a 30 degree seat just by removing material.

The head might need work to achieve 30 degrees without sinking the valve, though if you were getting seats replaced this shouldn't add much.

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I agree with Nial. This should not be expensive if fitting new seats anyway or OS valves.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.


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