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 716 Posts Member #: 9077 Post Whore Cheshire |
27th Oct, 2010 at 05:05:51pm
I've been advised to get an oil cooler which is fair enough and I've been looking at some 10 rows but someone else has said that if you've got an uprated rad then there shouldn't be a need for an oil cooler.
On 2nd Nov, 2010 wil_h said:
I think it's probably a given that all people who own pink cars like it up the Gary. On 14th Jan, 2011 rubicon said:
please dont put a batty kit on it, il have to by internet law, Report you to barry boys.com |
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 7265 Posts Member #: 1268 The Boom Boom speaker Police! Essex |
27th Oct, 2010 at 05:14:07pm
Get an oil temp gauge and find out if you need one first. In the 13's at last!.. Just |
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 16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
27th Oct, 2010 at 05:14:42pm
Have a look in the show us yours section and see how many of the really powerful minis run them. On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it 
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4309 Posts Member #: 1321 Post Whore Wiltshire |
27th Oct, 2010 at 05:46:42pm
If you intend to do circuit work with it I would fit one. My n/a mini was getting sump temps of 115 degrees round combe. I have one fitted. On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding |
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 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
27th Oct, 2010 at 05:59:58pm
get it on the road with an oil temp gauge, and do 20 mins enthusiastic driving down the motorway and you should be able to tell if you need one Yes i moved to the darkside |
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716 Posts Member #: 9077 Post Whore Cheshire |
27th Oct, 2010 at 06:10:38pm
It's highly unlikely I'll be taking him on track, probably down the strip at Santa Pod though.
On 2nd Nov, 2010 wil_h said:
I think it's probably a given that all people who own pink cars like it up the Gary. On 14th Jan, 2011 rubicon said:
please dont put a batty kit on it, il have to by internet law, Report you to barry boys.com |
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 558 Posts Member #: 8143 Post Whore London |
27th Oct, 2010 at 07:09:26pm
Maybe AP was trying to suggest its not really needed? |
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9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
27th Oct, 2010 at 07:15:54pm
On 27th Oct, 2010 Mini_the_minx said:
With all due respect AP, I was only asking for advice and I don't really have time to look through the Show Us Yours section for anyone with a 1380 supercharged engine with a set up alike to mine. andy was pointing out that there are minis far more powerful than yours that dont use an oil cooler Yes i moved to the darkside |
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 9812 Posts Member #: 332 Resident Cylinder Head Modifier Mitsi Evo 7, 911, Cossie. & all the chavs ...... won no problem |
27th Oct, 2010 at 07:20:07pm
yes get an oil temp gauge and see if you need one like the gents state.
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16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
27th Oct, 2010 at 07:47:45pm
What Brett said On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it
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 4890 Posts Member #: 1775 Post Whore Chester |
27th Oct, 2010 at 08:12:14pm
I run the evil suck through setup which I would guess is the worst for putting heat into the engine however I have fitted a gauge and I have never seen above 100deg... this is measured at the oil filter. I run CTV which is good for 110 deg.
I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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 1183 Posts Member #: 6926 Post Whore Accrington |
27th Oct, 2010 at 08:30:02pm
if you do decide to fit one, dont solid mount it...i did this and as a result it split. i made 2 brackets that came from the engine, so both anchored onto the same item. (so if the engine shakes the oil cooler does too) but it still split. ive not used some rubber that its mounted on and all seems fine so far. |
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716 Posts Member #: 9077 Post Whore Cheshire |
27th Oct, 2010 at 08:33:14pm
Apologies Andy, I thought you were trying to be sarcastic. I see what you mean now.
On 2nd Nov, 2010 wil_h said:
I think it's probably a given that all people who own pink cars like it up the Gary. On 14th Jan, 2011 rubicon said:
please dont put a batty kit on it, il have to by internet law, Report you to barry boys.com |
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 10023 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
27th Oct, 2010 at 08:39:07pm
A sandwich plate on the oil filter housing, or you could get the speedo housing drilled and tapped and fit it in there. If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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 7765 Posts Member #: 74 I pick holes in everything.. Chief ancient post excavator |
27th Oct, 2010 at 08:42:40pm
Anything below 100 degrees is too low. I'd like the water to evaporate from the oil. I've ran 120 degrees which is a tad too high, but not much.
On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem. |
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 902 Posts Member #: 111 Post Whore Loughborough |
27th Oct, 2010 at 09:51:07pm
I've got a oil thermostat in my systerm if the cooler is needed oil flows though if it's not is doesn't best of both. Now I do less track days I might go to a smaller oil cooler. |
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7765 Posts Member #: 74 I pick holes in everything.. Chief ancient post excavator |
27th Oct, 2010 at 10:14:24pm
On 27th Oct, 2010 Alex1340 said:
I've got a oil thermostat in my systerm if the cooler is needed oil flows though if it's not is doesn't best of both. Now I do less track days I might go to a smaller oil cooler. The problems with these thermostats is that they open FAR too early. I think it's 70 degrees. On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem. |
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 6274 Posts Member #: 509 Post Whore Isle of Man |
27th Oct, 2010 at 11:36:28pm
you can get a 92 c stat from mocal V, but this iwould still be to cool for you "Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun"
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 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
27th Oct, 2010 at 11:42:13pm
On 27th Oct, 2010 Vegard said:
Anything below 100 degrees is too low. I'd like the water to evaporate from the oil. I've ran 120 degrees which is a tad too high, but not much. For a road going car I wouldn't fit one. You need a temperature gauge first. not a cooler. water will evaporate well below 100 degrees. Its all to do with Gas Pressures. A content of disolved water vapour is always pressent, but as the oil heats up, it drives off that moisture. Next time you brew up, look at what is happening. The water has stopped boiling (less than 100 degrees Centigrade) yet the water is still evaporating, giving off water vapour, a gas. You dry your cloths by hanging them out to dry, but the temperatures are low in relation, yet they still dry, and yet water still evaporates. I have to dissagree (not that I am right) with the 'anything below 100 degrees is too low' theory. How many engines new or old have strict oil temperature control, You try getting even a 130hp Mini engine without an oil cooler, oil temp above 100 on a cold night. also consider oil to water oil coolers. They will cool the oil almost to the coolant temp and is a far better way of cooling the oil as the oil temp feeding the engine will be fairly constant no matter what the weather, its a heater as well as a cooler  While you might be correct in that the 'ideal' oil temp is 100 degrees, in the real world, its not always feasable unless you have complex control systems and variable heat rejection systems that match the climatic and duty conditions.
I personally would like to see my oil temps nearer to 90c, keeping the viscosity that bit higher and keeping the oil away from its breakdown point with a good buffer for those extremes of conditions. No good running 110 degrees oil with an upper limit of 120 degrees, all it would need is a slight increase in ambient temp and your engine might start to suffer the black death. What is important, is a carefully controlled flow of ambient air through the crnk case with a reasonably high oil temp, such as is used with a PCV system. A gas ballast if you will. If you really really have to fit an oil cooler, fit the smallest one you can find, use a thermostat and locate the cooler out of direct air flows. Mocal do a stat for 90 dgrees. The better option is the oil to water cooler. Even with the cooler and a stat in the current weather conditions, on a liesurely drive, oil temps won't even get close to 90 degrees to open the stat anway and it is in the colder months that you really need the oil temps higher to reduce the condensables collecting in the oil. Like others have said, fit a temp gauge and monitor your driving styles with oil temps. I would measure the oil temp of that which is being fed to the engine, after the pump. Sump temperture is an average temperature. I would look to fit the temp sensor into the top of the filter housing perhaps. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
28th Oct, 2010 at 07:56:26am
On the metro van, we ran the metro oil to water cooler that goes on the oil filter housing. It just made the coolant hotter and didn't cool the oil much. On a hot day it just made it so that everything was too hot. On a sustained run up the motorway at much above 70 (3.1 CWP so about 4k revs) the oil does get a bit warm.
On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it
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7765 Posts Member #: 74 I pick holes in everything.. Chief ancient post excavator |
28th Oct, 2010 at 08:27:13am
I'd like to fit one of these, but they are so darn expensive:
On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem. |
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
28th Oct, 2010 at 11:31:39pm
On 28th Oct, 2010 apbellamy said:
It just made the coolant hotter and didn't cool the oil much. On a hot day it just made it so that everything was too hot. where are you measuring the oil temp? On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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3006 Posts Member #: 2500 Post Whore Buckinghamshire |
29th Oct, 2010 at 06:44:53am
Its not the same situation as the Mini, but on the A35 I run a Saab oil cooler, mounted behind the front number plate below the bumper.The thermostat is the standard Mocal one, which I thought was 82 degrees.The oil cooler gets too hot to touch (ask Robert !) in about 5 miles of normal driving.
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16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
29th Oct, 2010 at 07:50:11am
On 28th Oct, 2010 Sprocket said:
On 28th Oct, 2010 apbellamy said:
It just made the coolant hotter and didn't cool the oil much. On a hot day it just made it so that everything was too hot. where are you measuring the oil temp? Speedo drive housing On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it
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7765 Posts Member #: 74 I pick holes in everything.. Chief ancient post excavator |
29th Oct, 2010 at 08:59:58am
For the record, I'm measuring before the cooler. The hottest place in the circuit. On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem. |
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