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m_brady15

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Hello everyone,

I have just fitted 13x7 deep dish minilights to my mini. I measured the width of the fronts wheels from the outer edge of each wheel and it came to 58inchs. Did the same to the rear and it come to 57inches.

Does it matter that the rears aren’t as wide as the fronts? And also why is this?

Would you recommend that I fit spacers on the rear to widen it all or just leave it the way it is?

Many thanks

Miles


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What does it drive like?

I don't like putting big spacers on as it only increases bearing wear.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


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It makes the car handle properly.

FWD cars tend to have a narrower rear track and RWD cars a narrower front track.

Look at karts, they alter the balance of handling by adjusting the track.

I have used 5mm spacers on the rear with good effect (for my personal preferance). I found that 10mm made the car understeer too much.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


m_brady15

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This is a project so I haven't driven it and won't be for a while?

I just want to get it right first time because I have some carbon fibre miglia arches to go on and I don't want to cut and fit this to the car and then find out that I need to widen the wheels and therefore the arches won't be right.

Miles


m_brady15

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On 9th Nov, 2010 wil_h said:
It makes the car handle properly.

FWD cars tend to have a narrower rear track and RWD cars a narrower front track.

Look at karts, they alter the balance of handling by adjusting the track.

I have used 5mm spacers on the rear with good effect (for my personal preferance). I found that 10mm made the car understeer too much.


Thanks wil_h for that info, So I can leave it like that and it will all be fine, or would you say that it handles better with a 5mm spacer?

Many thanks

Miles


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I think I'd be tempted to fit the arches with the 5mm spacers fitted, then experiment with and without them.

I'm not sure if fitting the 5mm spacer on the rear is a common mod, so worth maybe listening to others first though.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


Vegard

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On 9th Nov, 2010 wil_h said:

I have used 5mm spacers on the rear with good effect (for my personal preferance). I found that 10mm made the car understeer too much.


Did you feel this, or did you measure it? I'm thinking of spacing out the rear next season to see what happens.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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If your using Miglia arches with 13x7s then I believe you'll either have to spacer your wheels or cut down your miglias. I use 13x8 Alleycats and even I'm having to cut my arches down. I assume you have drums on the rear, are they spacered?

I was using 3/4" spacers IIRC on my old Mini with sportspack arches and 13x7 Superlites and I used to go through about 3 or 4 sets of bearings a year. I'd personally go with cutting down your arches over spacers but everyone has their own preference.


On 9th Nov, 2010 m_brady15 said:
This is a project so I haven't driven it and won't be for a while?

I just want to get it right first time because I have some carbon fibre miglia arches to go on and I don't want to cut and fit this to the car and then find out that I need to widen the wheels and therefore the arches won't be right.

Miles

On 2nd Nov, 2010 wil_h said:
I think it's probably a given that all people who own pink cars like it up the Gary.

On 14th Jan, 2011 rubicon said:

please dont put a batty kit on it, il have to by internet law, Report you to barry boys.com


wil_h

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I'm not sure how to measure understeer, but it definately had more with the 10mm spacers on the rear compared to just the 5mm.

It was a notciable differnce that both me and Ben agreed on (which is unusual when it comes to the handling of the hillclimber).


On 9th Nov, 2010 Vegard said:



On 9th Nov, 2010 wil_h said:

I have used 5mm spacers on the rear with good effect (for my personal preferance). I found that 10mm made the car understeer too much.


Did you feel this, or did you measure it? I'm thinking of spacing out the rear next season to see what happens.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


Paul R

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I used to have a much much wider rear track by about 2" each side i love the way my mini handeled like that but it each tothere own *smiley*)

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I meant in laptimes :)


On 9th Nov, 2010 wil_h said:
I'm not sure how to measure understeer, but it definately had more with the 10mm spacers on the rear compared to just the 5mm.

It was a notciable differnce that both me and Ben agreed on (which is unusual when it comes to the handling of the hillclimber).


On 9th Nov, 2010 Vegard said:



On 9th Nov, 2010 wil_h said:

I have used 5mm spacers on the rear with good effect (for my personal preferance). I found that 10mm made the car understeer too much.


Did you feel this, or did you measure it? I'm thinking of spacing out the rear next season to see what happens.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



wil_h

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Ahh. Well I can't remember, we don't tend to record anything other than our best run. But it it was slower then we would have put them back on.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.

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