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pieter

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i am thinking about fitting the ford undercrown jets onto a 998CC block

has anyone done this before and is the location the same as a 1300CC block to get into the oil gallery?


any help is more than welcome...


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not needed. the 998 a+ conrods have a hole pointing up to the underside of the piston that oil conveniently squirts out of

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Do they? Learn something every day.

I didn't think it was possible to fit them on 998 block anyway.


On 17th Nov, 2010 Brett said:
not needed. the 998 a+ conrods have a hole pointing up to the underside of the piston that oil conveniently squirts out of

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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This is where they go on a 1275 block.




Don't have any pictures of a small bore block to compare with.

You should be able to gauge the drilling angle required to hit the gallery by looking at/measuring the block.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

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Paul S

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As Brett said, there is no need on the 998.

The rods have a squirter hole that used to send oil to the little end/gudgeon pin for lube when the rods were fully floating. Even with the pressed fit pins, the hole is still there, although the hole in the little end is not.

Picture shows early rods with both holes on top of later rod.



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On 17th Nov, 2010 Brett said:
not needed. the 998 a+ conrods have a hole pointing up to the underside of the piston that oil conveniently squirts out of


On some Mercedeses there is a hole under the piston crown in the rod. On a Mini there is no hole going through the beam of the rod. The little hole on the big end is to lubricate the wrist pin by splashing from the piston crown. Oil goes the opposite way of what you're saying.

However, the rod does as mentioned have a hole on the big end spraying the piston crown.

Edited by Vegard on 18th Nov, 2010.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



alpa

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No need. The same system as on 998 was used by Alfa Romeo on the v6 turbo engine.

std 998 A+, g295, MD266, RHF4, 109hp @0.8bar/5400rpm


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Renault 5 GT Turbo too if memory serves ...

Do I understand properly that the only oil going to the piston side is from the hole on the crankshaft side ?

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i want to fit some ford jets to my turbo 1174cc (1098)
first thing to ask i guess is can it be done are the castings 1275 and 998 (1098) the same in the galley positions and stuff?

correct me if im wrong but i think the rods only spray oil or any real amount whilst the crank oil feed hole is aligned with the rod squirt hole?
i would think the ford jets are beneficial as they would spray all the time?


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Have a search for BMW jets, they only use a single M8 x 1 (if I remember correctly) banjo bolt, whereas the Fords require a feed and a mount.

There are modern ones that Ford use which are single bolt but I'm not sure on the part number/availability and chances are you are referring to the older zetec ones?


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I think there is some truth in the fact that the oil jets do not always spray the underside of the piston.

But thinking about how fast the engine is rotating, it's going to be flying about everywhere, so shouldn't be a problem.

As it happens I think that fitting the jets is not possible on the 998 block. But that's just in the back of my mind, not sure anyone has tried/failed.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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On 3rd Oct, 2012 Turbo This.. said:
i want to fit some ford jets to my turbo 1174cc (1098)
first thing to ask i guess is can it be done are the castings 1275 and 998 (1098) the same in the galley positions and stuff?

correct me if im wrong but i think the rods only spray oil or any real amount whilst the crank oil feed hole is aligned with the rod squirt hole?
i would think the ford jets are beneficial as they would spray all the time?


The 1098 utilises the same rods as the 998 hence you've already got it.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



John

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I wouldn't bother with em on a 998. There are plenty big power 1275 a's without any squirters.

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On 3rd Oct, 2012 John said:
I wouldn't bother with em on a 998. There are plenty big power 1275 a's without any squirters.


Nothing wrong with a good squirter *wink*


Paul S

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It can be done. GaryOS did it with Paul H help.

This is the thread but the pictures have gone:

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=225814

I feel that it is unecessary unless you are thinking of over 200hp.

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How does oil come out of the small hole by the little end?

Surely the rod isn't drilled all the way from the big end to supply oil up there, so I'm confused as to how this is supposed to spray oil...

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oil comes out of the squirter on the big and and dribbles into the hole in the little end I think?

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can the jets do any harm? provided a good pump is used of cause

On 3rd Oct, 2012 Vegard said:



On 3rd Oct, 2012 Turbo This.. said:
i want to fit some ford jets to my turbo 1174cc (1098)
first thing to ask i guess is can it be done are the castings 1275 and 998 (1098) the same in the galley positions and stuff?

correct me if im wrong but i think the rods only spray oil or any real amount whilst the crank oil feed hole is aligned with the rod squirt hole?
i would think the ford jets are beneficial as they would spray all the time?


The 1098 utilises the same rods as the 998 hence you've already got it.

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