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 5417 Posts Member #: 6181 Double hard bastard brookwood woking |
23rd Dec, 2010 at 09:42:43pm
ok then chaps,
I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf
On 1st Nov, 2007 Ben H said:
There is no such thing as 'insignificant weight saving', it all adds up. |
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Site Admin  15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
23rd Dec, 2010 at 11:23:45pm
Yes, but £160 for a fuel pump seems crazy to me.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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5417 Posts Member #: 6181 Double hard bastard brookwood woking |
23rd Dec, 2010 at 11:34:12pm
On 23rd Dec, 2010 Tom Fenton said:
Yes, but £160 for a fuel pump seems crazy to me. The DON uses a new Bosch Sierra Cosworth pump. Or if you must have fancy fittings research VW pumps, as some modern ones have screw connections. Mate i know £160 is a lot it was the only pic i could find of the bosch 044. I will be dong a lot more looking around before i buy i just did not know where to start. I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf
On 1st Nov, 2007 Ben H said:
There is no such thing as 'insignificant weight saving', it all adds up. |
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 8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
24th Dec, 2010 at 11:04:30am
Im using a for puma pump. Fitted straight into my mpi tank.
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
25th Dec, 2010 at 08:34:48am
On 23rd Dec, 2010 Tom Fenton said:
Yes, but £160 for a fuel pump seems crazy to me. The DON uses a new Bosch Sierra Cosworth pump. Or if you must have fancy fittings research VW pumps, as some modern ones have screw connections. To be fair though. That pump seems to come with the holder and AN fittings included in that price. Although I really cant see the sense in fitting a pump that could easily supply fuel for about 600bhp in a Mini, when there is little chance of it ever happening. 9.85 @ 145mph
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5417 Posts Member #: 6181 Double hard bastard brookwood woking |
11th Dec, 2011 at 07:05:17pm
Right is i have done away with the Mpi tank i am on the look out for a pump again,
I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf
On 1st Nov, 2007 Ben H said:
There is no such thing as 'insignificant weight saving', it all adds up. |
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 9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
11th Dec, 2011 at 07:43:14pm
We use one of these on the hillclimber (well ben has it now)
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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5417 Posts Member #: 6181 Double hard bastard brookwood woking |
11th Dec, 2011 at 07:50:51pm
So you think its not man enough.
I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf
On 1st Nov, 2007 Ben H said:
There is no such thing as 'insignificant weight saving', it all adds up. |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
11th Dec, 2011 at 08:07:44pm
My worry was that a high pressure injection pump would be too manly.
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
11th Dec, 2011 at 08:15:56pm
We use the Merlin Sytec pump with -6 in and out.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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5417 Posts Member #: 6181 Double hard bastard brookwood woking |
11th Dec, 2011 at 08:18:23pm
Yes i was looking at that one but i what to keep the price down a bit mate. I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf
On 1st Nov, 2007 Ben H said:
There is no such thing as 'insignificant weight saving', it all adds up. |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
11th Dec, 2011 at 08:55:16pm
On 11th Dec, 2011 madmk1 said:
Right is i have done away with the Mpi tank i am on the look out for a pump again, So can anyone why this will not work? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400257718682?ssP...984.m1438.l2649 That pump will supply more than enough fuel for virtually any mini. 9.85 @ 145mph
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
11th Dec, 2011 at 08:56:42pm
On 11th Dec, 2011 wil_h said:
My worry was that a high pressure injection pump would be too manly. My thoughts were that to much pressure and flow could damage the FRP and cause pressure issues if your return is at all restricted. A standard Metro turbo pump is a "high pressure injection pump" Also fitted to Maestro turbo, Montego turbo , VW Golf, Cavalier Sri etc The only issue is too much flow. The pump will not create any pressure until a restriction is applied to it. ie the FPR. Edited by stevieturbo on 11th Dec, 2011. 9.85 @ 145mph
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
12th Dec, 2011 at 08:22:46am
Yes. But certinally in the Metro there was resistor in the feed, which resulted in something like a 9V supply, significanty reducing its performance. If you look at the specs then they are all rated around 13.5V.
On 11th Dec, 2011 stevieturbo said:
On 11th Dec, 2011 wil_h said:
My worry was that a high pressure injection pump would be too manly. My thoughts were that to much pressure and flow could damage the FRP and cause pressure issues if your return is at all restricted. A standard Metro turbo pump is a "high pressure injection pump" Also fitted to Maestro turbo, Montego turbo , VW Golf, Cavalier Sri etc The only issue is too much flow. The pump will not create any pressure until a restriction is applied to it. ie the FPR. Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
12th Dec, 2011 at 08:36:32pm
On 12th Dec, 2011 wil_h said:
Yes. But certinally in the Metro there was resistor in the feed, which resulted in something like a 9V supply, significanty reducing its performance. If you look at the specs then they are all rated around 13.5V. On 11th Dec, 2011 stevieturbo said: On 11th Dec, 2011 wil_h said:
My worry was that a high pressure injection pump would be too manly. My thoughts were that to much pressure and flow could damage the FRP and cause pressure issues if your return is at all restricted. A standard Metro turbo pump is a "high pressure injection pump" Also fitted to Maestro turbo, Montego turbo , VW Golf, Cavalier Sri etc The only issue is too much flow. The pump will not create any pressure until a restriction is applied to it. ie the FPR. I always had mine wired straight to 12v. I used some sort of Bosch pump in my first Granada too, from a Saab turbo or something and the Malpassi regulator. Never had any problems at all. Yes there is a risk of overpowering the FPR, but certainly in my experience they do seem to handle the flow quite well and still allow pressure to go quite low. Although using an 044 would just be silly. 9.85 @ 145mph
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 5329 Posts Member #: 140 Proven 200+bhp & Avon Park 05,06,07 Class D 3rd place |
13th Dec, 2011 at 11:19:11pm
yes i just thought ANY fuel injection pump will do us? Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
14th Dec, 2011 at 09:33:13pm
On 13th Dec, 2011 Miniwilliams said:
yes i just thought ANY fuel injection pump will do us? Pretty much yes. I doubt there are any around that wouldnt supply enough fuel for a turbo mini. ( assuming a proper high pressure efi pump. Not something used in a SPI low pressure setup. But there is a chance that a proper high flow pump could exceed the regulators ability to dump fuel back to maintain the low pressures required. ie, an 044 would be a very bad choice, as it is pretty much the highest flowing pump that is readily available. 9.85 @ 145mph
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 6749 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
15th Dec, 2011 at 05:25:56pm
handy bit of info ,roughly 110 to 150 should be ample for a mini around 300 to 350 bhp :)
Edited by robert on 15th Dec, 2011. Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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 3673 Posts Member #: 9300 Post Whore Quarry Bonk |
15th Dec, 2011 at 05:37:38pm
Thats very handy Robert, should hopefully help me locate an ideal pump to replace the SPI one in my tank. On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!! 17.213 @ 71mph, 64bhp n/a (Old Engine) |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
15th Dec, 2011 at 08:32:26pm
On 15th Dec, 2011 robert said:
handy bit of info ,roughly 110 to 150 should be ample for a mini around 300 to 350 bhp :) • Bosch Fuel Pumps have their flow rates defined in N-Heptane as part of their engineering specification. N-Heptane is a pure chemical and does not have the same viscosity and density as standard petrol. Hence the N-Heptane flow rate figures stated should be used as a general guide for comparison purposes only. • Bosch Fuel Pumps are designed for use with standard grade petrol. Subject to statutory warranties, Bosch does not warrant the performance characteristics or specifications of these fuel pumps if they are used with Alcohol or Ethanol based fuels or fuel additives that are corrosive. B MOTORSPORT COMPONENTS FUEL PUMP TECHNICAL DATA Part Number........ litres / hour ......(pressure) 0 580 254 023........... 168............ (5 Bar) (72psi) 0 580 254 040........... 102............ (6.5 Bar) (94psi) 0 580 254 044........... 200 ............(5 Bar) (72psi) 0 580 254 046........... 207............ (3 Bar) (43psi) 0 580 254 053........... 175............ (5 Bar) (72psi) 0 580 254 909........... 148............ (5 Bar) (72psi) 0 580 254 910........... 130............ (5 Bar) (72psi) 0 580 254 911........... 95.............. (4 Bar) (58psi) 0 580 254 975........... 165............ (5 Bar) (72psi) 0 580 254 979........... 165............ (5 Bar) (72psi) 0 580 254 984........... 165............ (5 Bar) (72psi) 0 580 464 069........... 98.............. (4 Bar) (58psi) 0 580 464 070........... 130............ (3 Bar) (43psi) B 261 205 413.......... 200............ (8 Bar) (116psi) From what I am told, the 0 580 254 044 and the B 261 205 413 are the same pump, Bosch tests the "044" to qualify it to be called a "413" (see flow chart) from this site http://www.lucasinjection.com/bosch_and_lucas_fuel_pumps.htm with enough return pipe size , i would think the 044 would work . but a smaller one may be cheaper and put less strain on the flow path . im using a 40 70 pump . The issue wont be so much with the return pipe. You could have the largest return pipe in the world, but if the regulator itself cant cope, pressure will rise. And not sure how much difference the test fluid makes. But an 044 flows a LOT more than 200lph that Bosch suggest. At the sort of pressure a carb setup would use, it would be in the region of 300lph. 9.85 @ 145mph
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3673 Posts Member #: 9300 Post Whore Quarry Bonk |
15th Dec, 2011 at 08:43:42pm
Couldn't you reduce the voltage on the pump if an overly beefy one came up for a good price? Say restrict the voltage to 12v On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!! 17.213 @ 71mph, 64bhp n/a (Old Engine) |
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6749 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
15th Dec, 2011 at 09:12:26pm
On 15th Dec, 2011 stevieturbo said:
The issue wont be so much with the return pipe. You could have the largest return pipe in the world, but if the regulator itself cant cope, pressure will rise. And not sure how much difference the test fluid makes. But an 044 flows a LOT more than 200lph that Bosch suggest. At the sort of pressure a carb setup would use, it would be in the region of 300lph. 
Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
15th Dec, 2011 at 10:42:41pm
On 15th Dec, 2011 Carlzilla said:
Couldn't you reduce the voltage on the pump if an overly beefy one came up for a good price? Say restrict the voltage to 12v Reducing the voltage is good in theory. But a very bad way to do it. Although with the relatively low pressures involved it shouldnt matter too much. But reducing the voltage increases the current draw, which could have a negative impact on pump life. Either way, using an 044 would just be silly. 9.85 @ 145mph
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