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sean g

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Hi all

Is it legal to have an in car fuel tank for road use??

Cheers sean


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Even if it is not illegal you don't want to be doing it if you don't have to. Best to have a bulkhead between it and you.

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Im guessing you mean without any firewall?


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For a vehicle to pass an IVA then it must have a sealed bulkhead between the fuel tank and the passenger compartment. Therefore, technically, yes you must have a bulkhead.

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No, but you did chuck your guts up over my front gate the Saturday before! You even managed to get a bit in your arm pit...


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This is true, but it won't fail an MOT. IVA is all about getting a car road worthy for the first time. It is not a law as such.

I stand by what I said, I doubt that it is illegal, but not the best idea.

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The fella i work with, has a fuel cell in a series 3 land rover lightweight, with another sealed 'tank' so to speak around it, to comply with his race regulations. Could be a possibilty if you absolutely must bring the fuel tank inside.

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On 7th Feb, 2011 Ben H said:
This is true, but it won't fail an MOT. IVA is all about getting a car road worthy for the first time. It is not a law as such.

I stand by what I said, I doubt that it is illegal, but not the best idea.


I know its not strictly a law, but if VOSA pull you over, and you're minus a bulkhead, they'll deem that excessive modification to the monocoque and send you for an IVA in which case it will then fail, and on more than the missing bulkhead.

On 15th Jul, 2009 fastcarl said:
a breif struggle ensued but Will emerged the victor with a pair of undies in his possesion


On 21st Sep, 2009 apbellamy said:
No, but you did chuck your guts up over my front gate the Saturday before! You even managed to get a bit in your arm pit...


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On 7th Feb, 2011 Coupe said:
On 7th Feb, 2011 Ben H said:
This is true, but it won't fail an MOT. IVA is all about getting a car road worthy for the first time. It is not a law as such.

I stand by what I said, I doubt that it is illegal, but not the best idea.


I know its not strictly a law, but if VOSA pull you over, and you're minus a bulkhead, they'll deem that excessive modification to the monocoque and send you for an IVA in which case it will then fail, and on more than the missing bulkhead.


MK2 Escort has the tank in the boot, and doesnt have a full steel bulkhead.
At least, I'm sure I remember one a friend owned like that !! Just the rear seat in the way lol.

I spoke to a guy building a Cobra it car that he has to IVA

Holy good fuck. Im amazed anything can pass an IVA the lengths he was going to !!

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Well A mini (shock horror) has the fuel tank in the boot and the rear bulkhead has gaps around the side you can get your hands through.

Why do you ask?

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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He's got a metro so am guessing he wants it in the boot?

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It will only fail on what has been changed, if the changes are not up to standard. Any factory fitted equipment, suitable or not cannot be failed. However, this has moved away from the point.


On 7th Feb, 2011 Coupe said:
On 7th Feb, 2011 Ben H said:
This is true, but it won't fail an MOT. IVA is all about getting a car road worthy for the first time. It is not a law as such.

I stand by what I said, I doubt that it is illegal, but not the best idea.


I know its not strictly a law, but if VOSA pull you over, and you're minus a bulkhead, they'll deem that excessive modification to the monocoque and send you for an IVA in which case it will then fail, and on more than the missing bulkhead.

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Except it's BIVA these days and not IVA, it's a whole different depressing punch in the guts.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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Are you sure Andy. BIVA and IVA are the same thing aren't they? The IVA replaced the SVA. Edit: in fact I can find no reference to BIVA on the direct gov website, only IVA.

Ben I think you have mis-read the statement about bulkheads, but equally the comment about removing a buckhead is erroneous to the question asked.

Edited by wil_h on 8th Feb, 2011.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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Too many acronims...

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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TLAs I think you mean.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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*laughing*

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eh?

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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Three Letter Abreviations

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


John

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Pfft can't believe you didn't know that Andy you BAC!

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and BAC is...?

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


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624 posts and you don't know what a BAC is???!?!

You will have to do a search *tongue*

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DOH!

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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On 8th Feb, 2011 wil_h said:

Ben I think you have mis-read the statement about bulkheads, but equally the comment about removing a buckhead is erroneous to the question asked.


Don't think so, but that was not my point. I was mearly making the observation that if you do have to IVA a production car because of the mods you have done then it can't fail on production items, even though strictly speaking they would fail if you fitted them to a kit car and tried to IVA them. If that makes sense.

Basically if you are unlucky enough to get pulled up for fitting a turbo box then the IVA guy can only test what is modified. The classic aerials, wing mirrors, etc, etc (on minis) can be put down as fail points if they were produced with that car. Mind you if you have changed the mirrors for non IVA then they will fail. All irrelevant to this thread, but so much is these days. Such fun.

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whats the rules on propane tanks in car boots? wouldnt this fall under the same rule?


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On 8th Feb, 2011 Johnny said:
whats the rules on propane tanks in car boots? wouldnt this fall under the same rule?


The boot must have vents/holes at the lowest point in case of a gas leak.

But anything holding a large quantity of fuel is going to be a potential hazard no matter where it is.

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