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Gavin Wakely

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Now looking into top notch con rods ('S' size big end), comparing quality and cost.
I've narrowed it down to fully worked 'S' rods, or Specialist components billet rods. The specialist component ones seem extreamly good value for money compared to a worked 'S' set.
I know you pay's you're money and takes you're choice, but without offending anyone, I'm a little sceptical when other billet rods are around double the price. What are you're thoughts or findings.
Cheer's Gavin

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I've just had a set put in mine this time round, couldn't find any thing bad about them on the net, I was/ am sceptical but still haven't heard of any failures.


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On 15th Mar, 2011 Gavin Wakely said:
Now looking into top notch con rods ('S' size big end), comparing quality and cost.
I've narrowed it down to fully worked 'S' rods, or Specialist components billet rods. The specialist component ones seem extreamly good value for money compared to a worked 'S' set.
I know you pay's you're money and takes you're choice, but without offending anyone, I'm a little sceptical when other billet rods are around double the price. What are you're thoughts or findings.
Cheer's Gavin


getting a deja-vu moment as i feel i'v said this before w.r.t there rods but i get the impression SC trade alot off of reputation so wouldn't be quick to sell crap, however it wouldn't hurt to have them checked over for true-ness of the two holes w.r.t each other, end - over end balance and a crack test, even if you include all of that personal quality controll would still come out favourably to carrillo/farndon etc?

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whats w.r.t mean? im behind on this tinterweb lingo again...

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whats w.r.t mean? im behind on this tinterweb lingo again...

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coming from a foreigner, with regards to?

also, the more expensive rods are seldom billet. I have had a set of SC rods, and they where very heavy compared to more expensive versions. In the end I went for the Saenz rods SH sells, very nice product, 0.3 gram difference in weight, and just by looking at them one can see it is a quality product. They are forged as well, so the grains go in the direction of the beam, and also in the correct direction around the little and big end.


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Hasn't this been dopne to death on hewre in the past,[no offence intended Gav] but as said above and previously , there is very good reason whay cheap rods are cheap and the best rods are expensive,

the countryChina is linked to one type of these rods,

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perhaps a list on here of what they all weigh would be good info ?

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Joe C

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for me it comes down to this,

Are the SC rods strong enough?
IMO yes, althopugh they are billet they are a higher grade than std rods. also John has been running them up to 8-9K in his own motors.

are theuy dimensinally correct?
yes, mine are,

are they cost effective?
IMO depends, to get a set of A+ rods down to a similar weight is going to cost about 150quid?, add to that a set of ARP's 75quid?, if tyou have tio buy a set of A+ rods your probably looking at 50quid? so all in thats around £275,

if one of the A+ rods distorts during lightening, then you may has well ahve bought a set of SC's rods.





On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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On 16th Mar, 2011 Joe C said:


are theuy dimensinally correct?
yes, mine are,




Not to say all of SCs are not quite right but there was an engine build feature in a mag recently and they werent quite right. John did take them back and resize them though with no issues.

Id say theyre going to be stronger and lighter than A+ so its a toss up of ultimate weight saving and budget

Paul

I seriously doubt it!


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afternoon all,

Paul - wrong interpretation of that feature - I sized the rods to how AC wanted them - he wanted to run them with tighter bearing clearance for that road engine than I do for the market those rods are intended for- that is all.

I need to change the description for my rods - they are from forged blanks then cnc milled not machined from billets.

They are slightly heavier than other H beams on the market - the extra few grammes are around the small end to stop them stretching - like some of the others do. Nobody has broken one of my rods ever or worn one out or elongated the small end, with over 100 sets out there.

I'm not trying to sell anything - just putting the facts in place.

JK

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OK John, thanks for putting that straight. I liked what he said about any company willing to go to that effort is worth dealing with.
I thought I remembered you saying they were forged

I seriously doubt it!


Joe C

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Thanks for that John, I didnt realise they were forged,

Also while your attention is here could I check the torque setting for them? i looked up the ARP rod bolt and it says 28lb ft is this correct?

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



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list of weights of all the rods available would be great

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Just out of interest John, what material are they?

I seriously doubt it!


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On 16th Mar, 2011 Joe C said:
Thanks for that John, I didnt realise they were forged,

Also while your attention is here could I check the torque setting for them? i looked up the ARP rod bolt and it says 28lb ft is this correct?


Careful!!

If you remember I bought a new set of rod bolts due to bluing of one rod bolt. This second set of bolts (same part number and visually identical) had a different torque value. They did include ARP's new fastener lube, which I thought might have made the difference, but, the lube is pretty much the same as the other stuff that originally came with the original set of bolts.

So, why two different torque settings for the exact same bolts? and what was the reason for bluing of one of the original bolts after only 6k miles?

Personally, when it comes to this type of rod, and or where ARP rod bolts are installed in a high performance engine, a stretch gauge should be preffered over everything else, since you know bolts are tightened exactly to the correct pre load. Thus avoiding any confusion.

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Joe C

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You right Colin,


so I knocked this up!


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On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/


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