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6 Posts Member #: 9286 Junior Member |
30th Mar, 2011 at 09:30:27pm
hey all i was wondering can you have a metal front with no inner wings or would you have to put the brace bars etc in any help will be appreciated :)
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 16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
30th Mar, 2011 at 09:40:23pm
you need brace bars as the front subframe mounts to the front panel and the front panel to the inner wings.
On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it 
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6 Posts Member #: 9286 Junior Member |
30th Mar, 2011 at 09:42:09pm
cheers mate ill need to get some brace bars now thanks
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 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
30th Mar, 2011 at 09:49:52pm
Mine passed the last 3 years without. Not saying it is right, but the subframe is solid mounted all round, and also has extra strengthening in key areas.
On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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6 Posts Member #: 9286 Junior Member |
30th Mar, 2011 at 10:21:47pm
cheers can i ask how you have done yours then ie strengneing the front end ets thanks sprocket
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 1596 Posts Member #: 8027 Post Whore Thrapston, Kettering, Northants NN14 |
30th Mar, 2011 at 11:41:10pm
The one I've seen also dosnt run brace bars. Again not that it is the best way or not as I don't know, obviously the more strength the better tho. On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day... |
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16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
31st Mar, 2011 at 08:11:10am
A lot of it is down to your MOT tester. Ask Alex... On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
31st Mar, 2011 at 11:59:40am
The way I look at it is this, cheep shitty prace bars that attach the front of the subframe to the flitch panel with two bolts at each side is adequate?! for an MOT?! But, a welded front end and no inner wings is not?
On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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 3673 Posts Member #: 9300 Post Whore Quarry Bonk |
31st Mar, 2011 at 12:09:10pm
The brace bars ive just put on mine because of a fg front have 2 bolts though the subframe, and 2 bolts through the inner wing per side, and ive found the handling much more responsive than standard mounts and steel front, but personally i cant see any reason why youd need brace bars if the outer wings and front panel are welded strongly enough. On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!! 17.213 @ 71mph, 64bhp n/a (Old Engine) |
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 6729 Posts Member #: 618 Post Whore Glasgow |
31st Mar, 2011 at 01:25:57pm
I ended up fitting brace bars as i was trying to prevent the paint cracking around the seams if the front moved at all |
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 (2)[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150672766@N03/]Rod Sugden[/url], on Fli) 5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
31st Mar, 2011 at 01:49:03pm
I'll agree and disagree.
On 31st Mar, 2011 Sprocket said:
The way I look at it is this, cheep shitty prace bars that attach the front of the subframe to the flitch panel with two bolts at each side is adequate?! for an MOT?! But, a welded front end and no inner wings is not? The welded front is as rigid, if not more so than the brace bars and fibreglass front. If I were down to me, I would fail all road going cars with a fibreglass front. End Of. Agreed the cheap shitty square brace bars, one side each only, small square tube and a couple of bolts are totally worthless, possibly dangerous. But an MOT tester does have the power to fail because of it under MOT rules. Disagree about road going cars with fibreglass front being all fail. A properly thought out brace bar (note the singular) and attached at the right places can provide much more rigidity than the steel panels. Especially true if using a rubber mounted subframe (which is probably more dangerous than an FG front). Also, the FG front itself can absorb a lot more energy in a crash - if propery mounted to transmit the loads - than steel can. Look at how many high end manufacturers now use GRP, CF, Alloy, Glue instead of welds etc, etc, etc..... It's all about doing it right, not the concept. If you don't believe you have done it right, choose an IVA instead of an MOT. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
31st Mar, 2011 at 01:52:24pm
On 31st Mar, 2011 Sprocket said:
If I were down to me, I would fail all road going cars with a fibreglass front. End Of. Exactly. No impact protection what so ever. On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
31st Mar, 2011 at 02:04:55pm
On 31st Mar, 2011 apbellamy said:
Exactly. No impact protection what so ever. Sorry Andy but I have to disagree. FG (and many composites) provide much better impact protection (energy absorbtion) than flimsy steel panels from a 1950s design. It's all down to designing it right, not just buying some cheap brace bars off the web. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
31st Mar, 2011 at 02:20:41pm
That's fine for modern OEM designed panels made to withstand impacts and deform in a certain way, but most mini flipfronts today are made from molds of the 1950s design flimsy steel panels. I'm pretty sure they have very little thought around impact protection in them. They are just a plastic copy of the originals. On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
31st Mar, 2011 at 02:45:52pm
Because they are just copies, it's not the design itself that is flawed, it's the way they (it) are attached.
Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
31st Mar, 2011 at 05:47:41pm
lets face it were in a mini, any real accident at speed what chance do we have regardless of what the front is made from
Yes i moved to the darkside |
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6 Posts Member #: 9286 Junior Member |
31st Mar, 2011 at 08:45:24pm
cheers guys for the reply i havnt done it yet i was just seeing if it could be done and would be fine at mot time any more advice would be appreciated :)
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