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mini23

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Here's the engine spec.

1275cc A+ fitted with a big valve and ported 12g 940 cylinder head.
286 cam.
3mm decompression plate with 2 head gaskets (obvisouly)
Standard metro turbo setup feeding the fuel.

Problem I have is that the pushrods are rubbing/binding on the front cylinder head side of the pushrod hole.
Have tried 3 sets of rockers including a 1.5 titan roller set.
Whatever I use the pushrods rub.

Any suggestions?


Joe C

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try it without the plate and only one gasket.


I suspect that because of the extra 3.8mm (3mm plate and .8mm gasket) you are having to wind the tapet adjusters down which inturn pulls the top of the pushrod forwards,

reprofiled cams wont help that either.

If i'm right you can...

get the chambers taken out so you only need 1 gasket as std,

file the push rod holes out longways (dont drill them! ask me how I know!)

you might be able to get a set of 8 port pushrods in there (theyre longer but I cant remember how much longer)

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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mini23

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Thanks for the reply.

Was on the same lines as you with the 3.8mm, so this morning I took a set of rockers and machined 4mm from the base of the rocker posts. problem still exists.

Could well be the reprofiled cam, dont know how to eliminate that problem.


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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machining the rocker bases wont fix it as when the rockers come down they rotate.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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mini23

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Also, thought about drilling out the pushrod holes, but on a ported head it would end with hole!!


mini23

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On 19th May, 2011 Joe C said:
machining the rocker bases wont fix it as when the rockers come down they rotate.



Just thought the angle would be corrected from the addition of the decompression plate


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How 'ported' has this head been? Have the push rod holes been sleaved?

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


mini23

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It has been quite extensivly ported, but no sleeving.
Also, I was thinking about the reprofiled cam. That should not make to much difference as its the follower that determines the position of the bottom of the pushrod, so thats unchanged.
Going to try a set of non A+ rockers this morning and if they dont work, i'll remove the head, try it with one gasket and failing that, i'll elongate the pushrod hole


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Think about it.. machining the post just drops the pivoting point.. Machining the posts will put the rocker at a strange angle with the valve closed.. I have a feeling longer rods are the best fix

Edited by CR# on 20th May, 2011.


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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the follower drops, so the pushrod drops, that in itself dosent affect the geometry....

but you then have to jack the rocker adjuster screw out which pulls the top of the pushrod towards the valve.


On 20th May, 2011 mini23 said:
It has been quite extensivly ported, but no sleeving.
Also, I was thinking about the reprofiled cam. That should not make to much difference as its the follower that determines the position of the bottom of the pushrod, so thats unchanged.
Going to try a set of non A+ rockers this morning and if they dont work, i'll remove the head, try it with one gasket and failing that, i'll elongate the pushrod hole

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



matty

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Surely instead of reprofiling cams, machining things, spending money on new push rods and generally trying to make a 'bodge' work.

Wouldn't it just be easier to do it properly and enlarge the chambers on the head?

When you weigh up, time/money trying to get the decomp plate to work against whipping the head off for machining and slapping it back on (with 1 head gasket) its a no brainer...or am I missing something? *oh well*

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Joe C

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what he said!


On 20th May, 2011 matty said:
Surely instead of reprofiling cams, machining things, spending money on new push rods and generally trying to make a 'bodge' work.

Wouldn't it just be easier to do it properly and enlarge the chambers on the head?

When you weigh up, time/money trying to get the decomp plate to work against whipping the head off for machining and slapping it back on (with 1 head gasket) its a no brainer...or am I missing something? *oh well*

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



matty

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Yeah I agree what he said. lol

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1/4mile in 13.2sec @ 111 terminal on 15psi


mini23

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On 20th May, 2011 matty said:
Surely instead of reprofiling cams, machining things, spending money on new push rods and generally trying to make a 'bodge' work.

Wouldn't it just be easier to do it properly and enlarge the chambers on the head?

When you weigh up, time/money trying to get the decomp plate to work against whipping the head off for machining and slapping it back on (with 1 head gasket) its a no brainer...or am I missing something? *oh well*


Was expecting this type of answer, but this was an experiment to use parts that I had avaliable which could be assembled and made to work in a simple manner.
The rocker issue is sorted now with a non A+ set.

Yes I could chamber out the head, but then it will always be a turbo head.

Its easy to call a budget project a bodge and I could acuse others of this time and again, but dont.

I have an out and out race engine with the best of just about everything, so would be in a position to critisise if I felt like.

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