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alaskanow0

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Just wondering what compression ratio you guys would recommend for my webcon alloy 7 port cylinder head with direct port injection, planning on running upto 16psi. I was thinking 9.75-1. Will be running phase 2 cam, nice intercooler etc.

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You'll probably be alright at that. I think for insurance purposes I would personally go a bit lower say 9.2:1

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Iteresting. I did look into the subject of CR when fitting my alloy head, the theory being that you can run higher with an alloy head than with am Iron one.

But in the end I played it safe and stuck with around 8.5:1, this is for a potential 20psi though.

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I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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IMO it's not the meterial the head is made of that denotes what CR you can run but more the combustion chamber shape/design.

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I ask because I spoke to John K at SC today and he recommend upto 10-1 for upto around 14psi. I orginally was planning 9-1, so now I should be able to get far better off boost power then expected and better drivability. I know the 7 port head on my n/a needs 11.5/12-1CR with a fast road cam for best results. Paul, whats the best chamber shape? The Chambers have not been reshaped form standard just opened up the spark plug chamber to expose more of the 8mm plug into the chamber.

Edited by alaskanow0 on 6th Jun, 2011.

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On 6th Jun, 2011 alaskanow0 said:
I ask because I spoke to John K at SC today and he recommend upto 10-1 for upto around 14psi.


Sure thats not 4psi?

While I have no doubt that you can run an engine at 10:1CR and 14psi boost, it is not exactly going to be reliable. The engine calibration would need to be 100% perfect everywhere, requiring hours and hours of dyno time and plenty of temperature variations.

I'd be happier with this sort of configuration on a twin cam head, since as Paul has already pointed out, it is the combustion chamber that is responsible for the best part in reducing detonation. Being alloy doesn't mean it is the magic fix. There are lots of other things to consider such as the location of the spark plug, and the head to piston hight at 14 degrees ATDC

anyway, has there been anyone who has built such a configuration on an alloy 7 porter with 10:1CR and 14psi boost? and if so, where the fuck is the dyno sheet and video *tongue*

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Thanks for your advice Spocket, I will have to have a think before I machine the head to required cc's. Diffenetly think high CR / lower boost is the way to go for a road car

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No doubt about that. I run 9.4:1 and 12psi for my foad car (iron head).

On 7th Jun, 2011 alaskanow0 said:
Thanks for your advice Spocket, I will have to have a think before I machine the head to required cc's. Diffenetly think high CR / lower boost is the way to go for a road car

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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If it was me I would start off with a standard size combustion chamber I.E. 24cc, Two reasons,
1. The alloy these heads are cast from is very soft and if you have a head Gasket failure between bores it will take out a good portion of the alloy between bores (trust me on this one been there done that had the T-Shirt welded)

2: If you Keep your compression around the 9:1 mark and a Bar of boost every thing should stay stable and, given you better fueling should run super well off boost.

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