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minimole23

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I am realistically not going to be able to afford or have the resources to do the k1100 turbo for quite a while so need to decide whether to stick with the n/a 1380 or to throw a turbo at it. The criteria for the engine are simple and I have nearly all the parts required to carry out the conversion just though hoarding stuff.

1. It can be used for track days - so sustained periods of full throttle, high revs ect
2. Will have power to 7500rpm - thinking gt17 or td04 and a pretty hot cam.


My only concern is really how well carb'd engines respond to say feathering the throttle round a corner, or say letting off at 5500rpm, then quickly flooring it again - the last thing I want do to is it to go lean and do head gaskets ring lands ect. A lot of the successful cars on here seem to have destroyed many an engine through detonation, and the last thing I want to do is follow suit hence the fact I ultimately want to go down the k1100 route.

Power wise I'd be looking for 170bhp to make it all worth while, which shouldn't be do difficult on a 8.7:1 comp ratio with lots of revs in a 1380. The question is essentially can the 5 port deliver what I want in turbo form or should I just hold out and do the 16v engine?


Thanks



Edited by minimole23 on 7th Jun, 2011.

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


Joe C

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Fiat 8v head?

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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minimole23

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On 7th Jun, 2011 Joe C said:
Fiat 8v head?



Already have a k1100 one in the garage

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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Ah, ok,

I suggested it as they are dirt cheap and are much easier to convert, (already belt drive, and dont need piston cutouts)

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



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On 7th Jun, 2011 Joe C said:
Ah, ok,

I suggested it as they are dirt cheap and are much easier to convert, (already belt drive, and dont need piston cutouts)


You got one finished joe?

On 2nd Oct, 2009 Vegard said:


On 1st Oct, 2009 Jimster said:
I bet my first wank came quicker than your first mini turbo


These new modern turbos with their quick spool up time, would make the competition harder.


On 15th Aug, 2011 robert said:
phew!!! thank you brett for smashing in my back doors .( not something i imagined writing... EVER)


Joe C

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not even started!

still need to get the 7 port back together first...

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



cossierick

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Its a very good question , and id love to see peoples thaughts on the matter.

rick


jamie@thefatgarage

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The head makes not a jot of difference to working on a track or road if it is set up correctly. Things detonate and/or blow up because they are poorly tuned not because the head is of a different configuration.


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I've never had a turbo motor running a carb and I'm not 100% sure but don't the metro challenge series run carbs? They seem to go well enough,
Plus you'll have no restrictions to your build, you can have the best of the best to the highest standard,
and like Jamie said configuration shouldn't be a problem but I'd assume your running injection with a k head so I can see where the question came from definitely got me thinking...

Jack Jones


Rob H

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I think the Metro Challenge Cup clearly shows what 5 port turbos can do on the track, if you're still unsure as JF to take you for a spin round Combe in his Metty :)

Edited by Rob H on 7th Jun, 2011.

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And look into the past there was the group a metro turbo's which were alleged to be around the 200nana mark.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


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On 8th Jun, 2011 John said:
And look into the past there was the group a metro turbo's which were alleged to be around the 200nana mark.


Ye but didnt they have to re-build them after every race though???

rick


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and the cylinder head design makes a difference to that does it?


On 8th Jun, 2011 cossierick said:



On 8th Jun, 2011 John said:
And look into the past there was the group a metro turbo's which were alleged to be around the 200nana mark.


Ye but didnt they have to re-build them after every race though???

rick


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On 8th Jun, 2011 jamie@thefatgarage said:
and the cylinder head design makes a difference to that does it?


On 8th Jun, 2011 cossierick said:



On 8th Jun, 2011 John said:
And look into the past there was the group a metro turbo's which were alleged to be around the 200nana mark.


Ye but didnt they have to re-build them after every race though???

rick


???????????


minimole23

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On 8th Jun, 2011 jamie@thefatgarage said:
and the cylinder head design makes a difference to that does it?


On 8th Jun, 2011 cossierick said:



On 8th Jun, 2011 John said:
And look into the past there was the group a metro turbo's which were alleged to be around the 200nana mark.


Ye but didnt they have to re-build them after every race though???

rick


However you look at it there is not too much you can do to the chambers and by now the best combinations have been found. At the end of the day it is cast iron, an old design and without the simease code it will have differing afr's between cylinders.

I think with no real conclusions to this topic I'll stick with the n/a engine for now and develop the original k1100T plan over time.

Rick it looks like its down to you to test this issue as you already have the engine built and installed in a car!

On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding


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Yep, il do my best. As usuall ive too much on to finish the car.

It need a good weekend then were ready to roll. lol

Rick

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