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racer_pete

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i'd well be up for the rr session

1. John (Turbo Clubman)
2. Apbellamy (Turbo Metro Van)
3. Paul S (998T)
4. Sturgeo (Mig Turbo)
5. wng691s clubby (Piston & Gasket Eating Clubby)
6. 1380rich (na 1380)
7. Joe C (7-port turbo)
8. Johnny (1310 Turbo) (Dependant on insurance renewal cost/reserve)
9. alaskanow0 (turbo mini)
10. Markgtt (vauxhall 1600 on itb's)
11. Madmk1 (1380cc Turbo) work depending
12. Brett
13. Racer_pete (1275 turbo)

Edited by racer_pete on 17th Jul, 2011.


johnK

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As number 13 has passed........

1. John (Turbo Clubman)
2. Apbellamy (Turbo Metro Van)
3. Paul S (998T)
4. Sturgeo (Mig Turbo)
5. wng691s clubby (Piston & Gasket Eating Clubby)
6. 1380rich (na 1380)
7. Joe C (7-port turbo)
8. Johnny (1310 Turbo) (Dependant on insurance renewal cost/reserve)
9. alaskanow0 (turbo mini)
10. Markgtt (vauxhall 1600 on itb's)
11. Madmk1 (1380cc Turbo) work depending
12. Brett
13. Racer_pete (1275 turbo)
14. JohnK _ Goldie

If Carling made Mini engines
it would probably be like this one!


wolfie

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Time and money are agaist me here my car will never be ready for oct 2012 let alone this year *frown*

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Why wolfie...you should have your name as Fuckfaceshithead !


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wil_h

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What's the issue Robert? Will it be as spurious as last years results?


On 17th Jul, 2011 robert said:
love to go, but not on a dd dyno im afraid .
nms is not far ?(and a much better losses calculation.)

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


Pauly

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I might pop along to specatate, maybe in the mini (n/a 1310)


Brett

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Glad to hear that Johnk :)


1. John (Turbo Clubman)
2. Apbellamy (Turbo Metro Van)
3. Paul S (998T)
4. Sturgeo (Mig Turbo)
5. wng691s clubby (Piston & Gasket Eating Clubby)
6. 1380rich (na 1380)
7. Joe C (7-port turbo)
8. Johnny (1310 Turbo) (Dependant on insurance renewal cost/reserve)
9. alaskanow0 (turbo mini)
10. Markgtt (vauxhall 1600 on itb's)
11. Madmk1 (1380cc Turbo) work depending
12. Brett (1293 Turbo)
13. Racer_pete (1275 turbo)
14. JohnK _ Goldie

My B18VtecTurbo Awd Mini 2 years in, been running for 2years +.... vtec just kicked in yo
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On 14th Feb, 2014 robert said:
I think he thought his car was 465kg ,and you then guessed it at 565kg , and stuff me !! you were right


minidan

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essex

ill be up for spectating and the camping at the pod


Ben H

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If the TT3-BS is finished I will come along. It is too soon to commit at the moment.

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Star Mag

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Would be a shame to miss this i will have to see how the rebuild comes on.


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1. John (Turbo Clubman)
2. Apbellamy (Turbo Metro Van)
3. Paul S (998T)
4. Sturgeo (Mig Turbo)
5. wng691s clubby (Piston & Gasket Eating Clubby)
6. 1380rich (na 1380)
7. Joe C (7-port turbo)
8. Johnny (1310 Turbo) (Dependant on insurance renewal cost/reserve)
9. alaskanow0 (turbo mini)
10. Markgtt (vauxhall 1600 on itb's)
11. Madmk1 (1380cc Turbo) work depending
12. Brett (1293 Turbo)
13. Racer_pete (1275 turbo)
14. JohnK _ Goldie
15. Nick (1293 turbo)

On 20th Oct, 2015 Tom Fenton said:

Well here is the news, you are not welcome here, FUCK OFF.


gr4h4m

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Chester

Balls I'm away this weekend.. Would have loved to seen my car against some of the turbo 998s. Would have been good to see the difference.

I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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matty

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I could be up for this. Im keen to know what power im running now.

When do we need to give a definite answer?

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almichie

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1. John (Turbo Clubman)
2. Apbellamy (Turbo Metro Van)
3. Paul S (998T)
4. Sturgeo (Mig Turbo)
5. wng691s clubby (Piston & Gasket Eating Clubby)
6. 1380rich (na 1380)
7. Joe C (7-port turbo)
8. Johnny (1310 Turbo) (Dependant on insurance renewal cost/reserve)
9. alaskanow0 (turbo mini)
10. Markgtt (vauxhall 1600 on itb's)
11. Madmk1 (1380cc Turbo) work depending
12. Brett (1293 Turbo)
13. Racer_pete (1275 turbo)
14. JohnK _ Goldie
15. Nick (1293 turbo)
16. Almichie (998t maybe 1293t)

On 7th Nov, 2011 apbellamy said:
Shaft seems nice and snug


On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
no no no no, you need more boost! you can never ever come on here and say I have enough boost, that's just silly.


On 29th Mar, 2010 Star Mag said:
these give no problems with good head


Ian_W

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i am very much keen for this after missing the last one.

1. John (Turbo Clubman)
2. Apbellamy (Turbo Metro Van)
3. Paul S (998T)
4. Sturgeo (Mig Turbo)
5. wng691s clubby (Piston & Gasket Eating Clubby)
6. 1380rich (na 1380)
7. Joe C (7-port turbo)
8. Johnny (1310 Turbo) (Dependant on insurance renewal cost/reserve)
9. alaskanow0 (turbo mini)
10. Markgtt (vauxhall 1600 on itb's)
11. Madmk1 (1380cc Turbo) work depending
12. Brett (1293 Turbo)
13. Racer_pete (1275 turbo)
14. JohnK _ Goldie
15. Nick (1293 turbo)
16. Ian_W (1293 turbo)


John

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Edited as you missed Almichie out. *smiley*

1. John (Turbo Clubman)
2. Apbellamy (Turbo Metro Van)
3. Paul S (998T)
4. Sturgeo (Mig Turbo)
5. wng691s clubby (Piston & Gasket Eating Clubby)
6. 1380rich (na 1380)
7. Joe C (7-port turbo)
8. Johnny (1310 Turbo) (Dependant on insurance renewal cost/reserve)
9. alaskanow0 (turbo mini)
10. Markgtt (vauxhall 1600 on itb's)
11. Madmk1 (1380cc Turbo) work depending
12. Brett (1293 Turbo)
13. Racer_pete (1275 turbo)
14. JohnK _ Goldie
15. Nick (1293 turbo)
16. Almichie (998t maybe 1293t)
17. Ian_W (1293 turbo)

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


John

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No rush yet Matty.


On 17th Jul, 2011 matty said:
I could be up for this. Im keen to know what power im running now.

When do we need to give a definite answer?

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


quinton

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Shall I bring mine again this time with the fueling sorted?




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MikeRace

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John i should have been on the list from the start boyo!

1. John (Turbo Clubman)
2. Apbellamy (Turbo Metro Van)
3. Paul S (998T)
4. Sturgeo (Mig Turbo)
5. wng691s clubby (Piston & Gasket Eating Clubby)
6. 1380rich (na 1380)
7. Joe C (7-port turbo)
8. Johnny (1310 Turbo) (Dependant on insurance renewal cost/reserve)
9. alaskanow0 (turbo mini)
10. Markgtt (vauxhall 1600 on itb's)
11. Madmk1 (1380cc Turbo) work depending
12. Brett (1293 Turbo)
13. Racer_pete (1275 turbo)
14. JohnK _ Goldie
15. Nick (1293 turbo)
16. Ian_W (1293 turbo)
17. Mike Race (1330 Stella Fueled Rocket booster Turbo Methane Oxide Thruster)

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


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John

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Right. As we have quite enough interest this will definately go ahead.

As this is a TurboMinis rolling road day I'm going to re-order the list so that the turbo minis are at the top and then everyone else will be in order of interest expressed.

1. John (Turbo Clubman)
2. Paul S (998T)
3. Sturgeo (Mig Turbo)
4. Joe C (7-port turbo)
5. Johnny (1310 Turbo) (Dependant on insurance renewal cost)
6. alaskanow0 (turbo mini)
7. Madmk1 (1380cc Turbo) (work depending)
8. Brett (1293 Turbo)
9. Racer_pete (1275 turbo)
10. JohnK (Goldie)
11. Nick (1293 turbo)
12. Almichie (998t maybe 1293t)
13. Ian_W (1293 turbo)
14. MikeRace (1330 Stella Fueled Rocket booster Turbo Methane Oxide Thruster)
15. Apbellamy (Turbo Metro Van)
16. wng691s clubby (NA 998 Piston and Gasket Eating Clubby)
17. 1380rich (na 1380)
18. Markgtt (vauxhall 1600 on itb's)

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


robert

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On 17th Jul, 2011 wil_h said:
What's the issue Robert? Will it be as spurious as last years results?


On 17th Jul, 2011 robert said:
love to go, but not on a dd dyno im afraid .
nms is not far ?(and a much better losses calculation.)



hmm good question wil,

for me the interest in using a dyno is using it to reflect the engine design ,good or bad .the closer i can get to crank figures the more usefull it is for me .
now the whole transmission losses question has been roiling around the dyno world for ages ,and everyone has thier own take on it .
this is mine ..

anything that uses a percentage to calculate losses is, to my mind ,totally illogical . it is ok for comparative testing,up to a point ,but how does it cope with the tyres getting hotter on the 5th run ,and absorbing more power? the bhp read will go down ,and the losses will go down ,so the total will vary ....with no change to actual engine power.

for trying to get close to crank power its a lottery ,sometimes the figures will add up sometimes they wont .

the dd rr and i think dynopak ,use around 19% addition for losses ,plus some other stuff they seem on the rr forums to be a bit evasive about . the overall impression i get is we wont completely explain it all ,because if we do you will see its not based on logic .

the other way to do losses is to coast down after the run, and measure the resistance ,compared with nothing ,on the rollers and add that to the wheel power ..now this opens up another can of worms .does the coast down make sense? having calibrated rolling rds that use this system ,i can tell you it can be adjusted to make sense and also to make big losses, so the owner is happy with his 500 bhp 850 mini!(twin carb)

in an attempt to work out what the lossses read on a 4 wheel drive rolling rd ,as i was convinced there was a problem on the rear set, i used my bike to run the rollers up to 70 mph and then deliberately pushed it off, i did this with both front and rear sets and proved the rear set had a bad bearing and was reading 6 bhp WITH NO LOAD ..max speed achieved later on at 12 at night was 125 mhp on the roller before launching it off .

my personal experience with the tuning of engines on a coast down rr goes like this ..
example 1)
my turbo 500 bike showed 135 bhp at crank ,115 at wheel .i then sprayed wheel with glue and cinched it down a bit tighter ,i now had 98 bhp at wheel and 134 hhp at crank . the drag had been sensed by the rr and added to create a replication of crank power to withon 1% odd.
if that had been a percentage rr after the strap down powwer would have dropped to 120 bhp odd!
example 2)
a formula one 1968 cooper ,3.1 v8 alfa engine ,had 280 bhp at 6500 ,10 bhp losses .so total 290 .with a dd type it would have had 333 bhp .

this constantly measuring the losses can take into account all sorts of things that can affect each run .

the reason its not so popular with a lot of dyno makers ,is , it takes a lot longer to do each run ,as you coast down ,and time is money . the quicker the runs go through ,the more turn over . it also tends to make much higher power figures ,so that makes the dyno popular with the customers .

the superflow dyno at nms apparently uses a coast down on the first run ,then adds those losses to every run after ,so not as good as a coast down every time ,but much better than %.

not sure if that helps wil but maybe a little bit :).

regards robert.




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wil_h

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Totally helps. I think coast down is the best method.

Interestingly, in all rr sessions I've had, it is typical to measure the coast down at the start and then re-use this figure for all runs, this seems reasonable as long as the strapping etc remains the same throughout.

At the rr we took the TT2-7P to he did a run down after every run.

As it happens I'm working behind the bar at our local beer festival that weekend, so I'll have to miss it anyway.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph

www.twin-turbo.co.uk

On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


John

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As discussed via PM with Robert I would like people to make an informed decision on whether they would like to run, so I am pleased that he has posted to explain why he would prefer not to use a DD dyno.

For the reasons Robert has mentioned I would have preferred to use NMS for the event, however with them not being able to host shootouts anymore I made the decision to deal with RGS and am going to stick with them.

On another note it looks like our resident shutterbug Matt Woods (Miniwilliams) is on the cards to do the Mini Mag feature for this event!

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


MarkGTT

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As you have 17 without me you might as well knock me off then - will take an age to get through that amount of cars as it is.


Nick
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I wouldn't drop out mark, you know how it goes with all turbo minis, that list of 17 will be down to 10 by the time October comes. I've had to drop out enough times myself, lol.

On 20th Oct, 2015 Tom Fenton said:

Well here is the news, you are not welcome here, FUCK OFF.


matty

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1. John (Turbo Clubman)
2. Paul S (998T)
3. Sturgeo (Mig Turbo)
4. Joe C (7-port turbo)
5. Johnny (1310 Turbo) (Dependant on insurance renewal cost)
6. alaskanow0 (turbo mini)
7. Madmk1 (1380cc Turbo) (work depending)
8. Brett (1293 Turbo)
9. Racer_pete (1275 turbo)
10. JohnK (Goldie)
11. Nick (1293 turbo)
12. Almichie (998t maybe 1293t)
13. Ian_W (1293 turbo)
14. MikeRace (1330 Stella Fueled Rocket booster Turbo Methane Oxide Thruster)
15. Apbellamy (Turbo Metro Van)
16. wng691s clubby (NA 998 Piston and Gasket Eating Clubby)
17. 1380rich (na 1380)
18. Markgtt (vauxhall 1600 on itb's)
19. Matty (1293 Turbo)

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