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 673 Posts Member #: 1395 Post Whore chepstow |
27th Aug, 2011 at 07:52:30am
I have one of those cheap shit chinese intercoolers on my car, does anyone know where i can get a similiar sized one but something well made which will flow well!
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 9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
27th Aug, 2011 at 08:38:54am
Here you go. I asked the same question last year, Cossirick pointed me to these
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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673 Posts Member #: 1395 Post Whore chepstow |
27th Aug, 2011 at 09:53:04am
The 106 would be perfect if the core was just 100mm longer to go around my rad. Might speak to forge to see if they can do that or weld some 90 degree bends on the end of a 104.
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 8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
27th Aug, 2011 at 09:55:57am
I looked into the Forge "universal" intercoolers and came to the conclusion that they were chinese with a british name on them.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 16540 Posts Member #: 4241 King Gaycharger, butt plug dealer, Sheldon Cooper and a BAC but generally a niceish fella if you dont mind a northerner Rotherham, South Yorkshire |
27th Aug, 2011 at 09:59:59am
just get your local fabricator to do the welding for you. you can get bends cheaply enough On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it 
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673 Posts Member #: 1395 Post Whore chepstow |
27th Aug, 2011 at 10:04:37am
On 27th Aug, 2011 Paul S said:
I looked into the Forge "universal" intercoolers and came to the conclusion that they were chinese with a british name on them. The cores look the same as my cheap ebay jobbie. The search continues then.... |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
27th Aug, 2011 at 10:46:03am
How do you know that the one you have is no good? Have you measured the pressure and temperature drop?
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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4018 Posts Member #: 1757 Back to Fucking Tool status Swindon |
27th Aug, 2011 at 11:52:45am
How about a bmw 320d or a 335 ic and get some end tanks made for it, they fit in a clubby grill so should fit at the feont of the metty Drives
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673 Posts Member #: 1395 Post Whore chepstow |
27th Aug, 2011 at 12:25:35pm
On 27th Aug, 2011 Paul S said:
How do you know that the one you have is no good? Have you measured the pressure and temperature drop? I'm in the same boat. I'm told that my intercooler is no good because it came from China. So, I've fitted sensors to actually find out the truth. Hopefully, by the rolling road day we will be in a position to get some data. My first choice would be OEM, then someone like Pace Products. Alternatively, the cheapest option would be to go for a 175 or bigger core. I remember seeing a post on here where someone tested the flow of them compared to an OEM one, can not find the post now though. No testing was done when I have the car together although you could feel the one end tank ran cooler than the other. My big problem with my set up is a tight bend coming off the one end tank but I do need to re-do the pipe work now I have a gt20 on there. |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
27th Aug, 2011 at 12:44:50pm
This was the thread:
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 9326 Posts Member #: 59 First mini turbo to get in the 12's & site perv Herefordshire |
27th Aug, 2011 at 01:44:18pm
Concept racing are in Ross on Wye.
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673 Posts Member #: 1395 Post Whore chepstow |
27th Aug, 2011 at 05:42:00pm
On 27th Aug, 2011 Nic said:
Concept racing are in Ross on Wye. They will be able to fulfil your wildest fantasies for a custom intercooler specific for your car which will actually do a decent job unlike a generic one from many of the other suppliers. Probably cheaper than you would have thought too. Speak to a few other places and then pop into see them. The amount of interest they will hopefully show should convince you. Thanks Nic have to go see them on the way to Hereford when I get my paint!! |
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 861 Posts Member #: 951 Post Whore Bromsgrove |
27th Aug, 2011 at 08:06:59pm
Just used the Rod S method to check my Chinese cooler against my old oem Tomcat cooler.Using a wet/dry vacuum cleaner,got 60mm chinese and 45mm tomcat hmm......... 'Where does the engine go?' |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
27th Aug, 2011 at 09:33:01pm
On 27th Aug, 2011 Paul S said:
I looked into the Forge "universal" intercoolers and came to the conclusion that they were chinese with a british name on them. The cores look the same as my cheap ebay jobbie. Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
28th Aug, 2011 at 10:46:58am
On 27th Aug, 2011 steve1275 said:
Just used the Rod S method to check my Chinese cooler against my old oem Tomcat cooler.Using a wet/dry vacuum cleaner,got 60mm chinese and 45mm tomcat hmm......... Whilst it is a valid comparison, don't forget that 1 psi is about 680mm. We really need a measure of air flow to make a valued judgement. We could then extrapolate the data to real engine air flow. I don't have a photo of the inside of my chinese core and it's all built up ready for some serious tuning at the moment. Next time it's apart, I'll take some. I do remember looking at it and thinking it was crap. Hence the hunt for something better. Having said that, photos tell us nothing, they just feed opinion. Let's get some real data. The lowest pressure drop intercooler would be a piece of pipe with some fins on the outside. Low pressure drop, but also low thermal efficiency. Any intercooler has to compromise between thermal efficiency and pressure drop. Ultimately this is a rare case of bigger is better. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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 (2)[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/150672766@N03/]Rod Sugden[/url], on Fli) 5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
28th Aug, 2011 at 12:29:10pm
On 28th Aug, 2011 Paul S said:
Whilst it is a valid comparison, don't forget that 1 psi is about 680mm. We really need a measure of air flow to make a valued judgement. We could then extrapolate the data to real engine air flow. Absolutely, it was only ever intended to be a simple comparison. To do any serious testing would require a flowrig of much higher capacity than a domestic vacuum cleaner. The engine will be pulling a much higher flowrate and of course the air will be pressurised so denser. Without getting my old uni notes out, I'm pretty certain pressure drop goes up with flowrate and up with density, so if you start off with a poor comparison, it won't get any better. Also, it was only a simple pressure internal drop comparison - if the heat transfer is better, and/or the external flowrate better, it could offset the poor internal flow. Have you installed presure sensor as well as temperature sensors either side of yours ? Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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857 Posts Member #: 1778 Post Whore Northants |
28th Aug, 2011 at 12:42:07pm
Yup, pressure and temperature sensors either side. Well bosses to put them in, we'll be connecting them up once everything is up and running properly. |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
28th Aug, 2011 at 12:43:44pm
Yes pressure and temperature sensors on the inlet and outlet. Still need to fit the logger/wires/pipes and get it all talking to the ECU. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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861 Posts Member #: 951 Post Whore Bromsgrove |
28th Aug, 2011 at 02:43:33pm
I'm due for a quick RR check next week,hope to have a second boost gauge on,so I can at least check total pressure drop between turbo and manifold 'Where does the engine go?' |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
29th Aug, 2011 at 08:33:22am
I think it is clear that the chinese ICs have a larger pressure drop than some more well known brands.
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
29th Aug, 2011 at 10:15:06am
That's interesting Wil. Thanks.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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673 Posts Member #: 1395 Post Whore chepstow |
31st Aug, 2011 at 01:40:02pm
Been speaking to concept racing in Ross and seem very keen. Going to pop and see them because it is hard to discuss over the phone. Very helpful so far |
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861 Posts Member #: 951 Post Whore Bromsgrove |
31st Aug, 2011 at 04:47:25pm
Just done a rough test with an old electric water gauge just after my chinese cooler,and it didn't seem to move much - below 40C anyway.Also put another boost gauge on the compressor tapping.The boost on this was about 22psi when the manifold boost was 17psi - bit difficult to read,there was traffic!So that would give total inlet system press drop of about 5 psi,which doesn't seem too bad. 'Where does the engine go?' |
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54 Posts Member #: 8588 Advanced Member Yeovil |
31st Aug, 2011 at 06:23:32pm
All intercoolers have a pressure drop, if they didn't then they're not working..
Graham |
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4018 Posts Member #: 1757 Back to Fucking Tool status Swindon |
31st Aug, 2011 at 07:21:28pm
Pressure drop = run more boost Drives
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