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hi guys im thinking of buying a set of these: http://www.midlandwheels.com/Shop/P-6844-6...ag-2-Black.html
it says that body mods are required im guessing it because of the offset ive tried searching on here but cant find anything that helps. i was wondering if they would fit my clubby no work has been done to arches any help would be great

Done now needs redoing lol


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They will probably miss the front of the wing on the clubby to be honest.
However that doesn't excuse the fact that they are horrid and should be nowhere near a clubby like yours.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.


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I'm guessing the back ones will fit no problem, but the wing on the front will need slight work to provide clearance on full lock both ways. I don't have a clubby, so don't quote me on it though...

Edited by Fortecphil on 2nd Sep, 2011.


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At -7 the back of the wheel mounting surface is further towards the inside of the wheel, pushing the outer rim further out, if the cars been lowered you may find it catches on near full lock, so you will have to remove some material from the wing where necessary and remake the lip. Depending on what arches you have too, arches like w&p ones dont like having that material removed as thats what they mount to instead of being screwed or riveted into the wing itself.

On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper

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Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!!

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what wheels would you suggest john just got a payout for my injuries amd after iv got a few more bits for the turbo motor i fancied some new wheels as one of mine has a bad rim and fedup of pumping it up. Cars not lowerd and front wings have been trimed for my 12x5 dnt mind trimming a bit more

Edited by wng691s clubby on 2nd Sep, 2011.

Done now needs redoing lol


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Personally I would say:-

http://www.force-racing.co.uk/12-wheel

However I just don't like MWS wheels and think that starmags wouldn't suit your car.

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10s arent quite as bad as bigger wheels for trimming, sidewalls round off more where they meet the tread. Im not much of a fan of starmags either, suits the right car. Something like mambas or perhaps a set of converted splits off Mr Austin would suit, black centres *wink*

On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper

On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!!

17.213 @ 71mph, 64bhp n/a (Old Engine)


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got to go for 12's as iv got the vented turbo setup. force wheels are lurvly but they come with a price tag to suit

Edited by wng691s clubby on 2nd Sep, 2011.

Done now needs redoing lol


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something else to bear in mind is , the greater the offet toward the outside ,the worse the handling of the car as the power level goes up .stock mini wheels are around et +35mm .... if you have the choice , i wouldnt go any lower than +25 et if using over 150 bhp .
im using +13 et ,and it isnt enough .

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM


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I feel I have to disagree as mine look almost exactly like those!


On 2nd Sep, 2011 John said:
They will probably miss the front of the wing on the clubby to be honest.
However that doesn't excuse the fact that they are horrid and should be nowhere near a clubby like yours.


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On 2nd Sep, 2011 robert said:
something else to bear in mind is , the greater the offet toward the outside ,the worse the handling of the car as the power level goes up .stock mini wheels are around et +35mm .... if you have the choice , i wouldnt go any lower than +25 et if using over 150 bhp .
im using +13 et ,and it isnt enough .


Roberto, yes the neg offset = big scrub radii, but the DON uses a wheel with -10mm on the front and as you know suffers no ill effects, but then again my front suspension may not be standard,

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On 2nd Sep, 2011 fastcarl said:



On 2nd Sep, 2011 robert said:
something else to bear in mind is , the greater the offset toward the outside ,the worse the handling of the car as the power level goes up .stock mini wheels are around et +35mm .... if you have the choice , i wouldnt go any lower than +25 et if using over 150 bhp .
im using +13 et ,and it isnt enough .


Roberto, yes the neg offset = big scrub radii, but the DON uses a wheel with -10mm on the front and as you know suffers no ill effects, but then again my front suspension may not be standard,

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good and valid point carl , i suppose its all down to what you use the car for as well .what is the scrub radius on the don ?

my car is fine up to over 60 ,or any speed in a straight line or cornering on power ..driving over the crest of the rd on 150 bhp plus ,is the main problem ..as the tyre contact patch travels across the tyres,changing the effective scrub ..

. is the don fine on full power steering acrosss a cambererd centre ridge when overtaking on the rd ?

something else i suspect affects things is the type of diff , i feel in my water that the 4 pin is binding up on higher torque,and shuffling the power to the side that im steering towards ,just a theory though ...maybe an atb or disc lsd is not so bad for this .

Edited by robert on 3rd Sep, 2011.

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM


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On 2nd Sep, 2011 fastcarl said:



Roberto, yes the neg offset = big scrub radii
carl

not to sound like a complete noob here but what is ment by scrub, as im currently building my turbo engine and aiming for some good power out puts i dont really wont to buy a set of wheels that are going to be no good ?

Done now needs redoing lol


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good question ..

if you draw a line through the top and bottom ball joints and carry it on to the ground ,thats one point .

then measure from that point to the centre of the tyre where it touches the ground .
the distance between those two points is the scrub radius .

the bigger it is the more the steering pulls under power or bumps.
the closer the two points are the less feel you get and the more neutral the steering .

on a normal mini wheel (et+35.).the distance is about 25mm . on a wheel like mine (et+3)its about 57mm so a big difference.

i machined my wheels and hubs to bring them in 10mm each side ...so that brought me to 47mm scrub radius . i feel its still not enough for me .. i use the car on very crested bumpy country lanes ,and this makes the centre of contact on the tyre change as it goes over the ridge in the middle of the rd .

so , if you can imagine the tyre hits the crest ,and for a moment the contact patch may be out on the outer side of the tyre ,so may be 40 mm over to the outside ,so for a moment ,my scrub radius is 87mm and the car pulls that way ...and then you go to turn back in after overtaking a car ,and the same thing happens on the way in ,so you nearly take off the cars door handles ! ,

in a 200 plus bhp mini this feels a bit like threading a needle ,as the slightest wheel movement has a big effect .

another move to solve this would be to fit the metro steering arms ,as denis has used , this effectively gives less sensitive steering .

the fact that these problems only seem to raise thier head when power is above 150 odd ,makes me feel the diff may also be playing a part.

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robert

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM


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I run at -10 on the front and parking can be a pig but thats the compromise I make. If you set it up right your car should drive like normal. As long as you have the rim width you wont reduce the life of your bearings.

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well iv taken the jump and ordered a set just need a set of yoko ao48's and give them a go. thanks robert for explaining that i think i suffer a little with this now but that may be due to needing my suspension setup

Done now needs redoing lol


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I run 0ET 6X12 Force wheels and I haven't needed bodybods on my GT. This is on a fairly low racecar.

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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On 5th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
I run 0ET 6X12 Force wheels and I haven't needed bodybods on my GT. This is on a fairly low racecar.



+ 3 mm Vegard

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I stand corrected. You should know *wink*

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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On 5th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
I stand corrected. You should know *wink*


A rare quote - I'll have that! Sigged!

On 5th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
I stand corrected. You should know *wink*



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Missing by three mm must be deemed ok?? *wink*

On 13th Jul, 2012 Ben H said:
Mine gets in the way a bit, but only when it is up. If it is down it does not cause a problem.



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On 6th Sep, 2011 Vegard said:
Missing by three mm must be deemed ok?? *wink*



That 3mm extra width comes in usefull.lol

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