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pieter

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does anybody have experience with fitting a carbon fibre roof on TM

i am wanting to install one on my mini and would like to know what type of bonding material you use to stick it to whatever remains of the original roof


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Could not not contact the arc angels or carbon weezel and ask them what to use? Im sure they sell the stuff aswell?

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Im sure sikaflex is the general choice people use.

There are quite a few threads on it somewhere.

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I used tigerseal on my previous project. Worked a treat.

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On 9th Sep, 2011 matty said:
Im sure sikaflex is the general choice people use.

There are quite a few threads on it somewhere.


Sikaflex is used quite often in the rail freight industry as it's so reliable and durable. Admittedly that doesn't include any carbon fibre applications.


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I've used tiger seal for body kit filling in the past with no problems


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Ive always used tiger seal on all my past rpojects, and used it on my mk1 build to seal my roof skin where I welded it on. TBH im fairly certain alot of the PU sealants are manufacured at the same place and just sold under different names...like most other products! lol

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poxy sikaflex wont keep my darn door skins on !

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friends of mine have used sikaflex and tiger seal and theyre both suitable to bond the carbon to the steel roof.


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On 9th Sep, 2011 robert said:
poxy sikaflex wont keep my darn door skins on !


How did you bond them? Did you rough up the ally and contacting face before bonding?

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I used windscreen adhesive for my alu bootfloor with the correct primer. If a windscreen is part of the structure of a car then that adhesive must be pretty darn good for a roof

I seriously doubt it!


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i was going to use this for bonding, i used this for my alu door skins in the past and it sticks like hell

http://catalogue.3m.eu/en_eu/be-nl-iatd/3M...Epoxy_Adhesive#

but will this stick to carbon fibre...

they use this stuff to bond panels onto planes and racecars so i figured it will do for my carbon fibre roof...

Edited by pieter on 10th Sep, 2011.


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Trouble with epoxy is that it cures hard and brittle. If there is any flex in the roof panel or shell under driving conditions it will crack.
I would go for a PU type adhesive which stays flexible for this reason. We used PU to bond the panels onto DB9, Vanquish and Vantage

I seriously doubt it!


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Robert, you using the right type of sikaflex? There are many, when I was doing a polly window into my mums camper the supplier got me a different type of sikaflex to the normal stuff, perhaps there's one suitable for aluminium?

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On 10th Sep, 2011 evolotion said:
Robert, you using the right type of sikaflex? There are many, when I was doing a polly window into my mums camper the supplier got me a different type of sikaflex to the normal stuff, perhaps there's one suitable for aluminium?


Aluminium needs a suitable primer, nothing sticks to it

I seriously doubt it!


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Araldyte 420 is only one choice *happy*

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On 10th Sep, 2011 pieter said:
i was going to use this for bonding, i used this for my alu door skins in the past and it sticks like hell

http://catalogue.3m.eu/en_eu/be-nl-iatd/3M...Epoxy_Adhesive#

but will this stick to carbon fibre...

they use this stuff to bond panels onto planes and racecars so i figured it will do for my carbon fibre roof...



Thats Bull! DP110 is a general purpose adhesive and is used to bond non structural item such as interior trim and ferral inserts into cabin floor panels it is not used to bond panels onto aircraft structure!!!!!!!!!!!!! *angry*

This will not form a strong bond with the carbon panel or the metal of the car. it will form a very weak mechanical bond that will peel off at the first sign of load.

As said above Araldyte 420 (blue) or any in that family of strucural adnesives are used to bond heavy aircraft strucure such as skins and frames they take 24hrs to reach full mechanical strength.

I stock and use 420 to fit all my body kits, repair radiators and plastic mouldings and repair to composite panels.

If you intend to bond to Aluminium then the surface needs to be keyed up and preferably anodised, the better form of keying up the surface would be to grit blast it with a very abrasive midia

One last thing DP110 hates getting wet!

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pieter

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ok, thanks for the info, i'm only passing on what my bodyshop chap told me...

i think i could have posted the wrong 3M part no as well, i am in doubt and will check on the tube itself


pieter

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ok i had the wrong 3M part no : 08115 is the correct one



and i do not think it will bond on carbon fibre however...

Edited by pieter on 12th Sep, 2011.

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