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hi all, do any of you guys run 1.5 rockers on your turbo or supercharged engines. i heard there not to good for force induction engines, ill be running a turbo/supercharged cam in my engine i only ask as i already have a brand new set in garage and was wondering if they would be beneficial?
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I ran 1.5 on my standard cam supercharged engine they wore out the guides and I didn't see much inprovement at the rollers. I'm making more power now on standard rollers

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iv heard standard rockers are better on supercharged engines. maybe i'll get some 1.3 roller rockers.
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A 1.5 rocker is opening the valve more and earlier than lower ratio ones. There is no reason a forced induction engine would not benefit. I don't think the gains are ever huge, but it all adds up I suppose. I think roller tip ones are worth a go as they should reduce guide problems.


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hmm ok makes sense. what are people running with there turbo and supercharged engines and what cams?
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On 26th Sep, 2011 jamie@thefatgarage said:
A 1.5 rocker is opening the valve more and earlier than lower ratio ones. There is no reason a forced induction engine would not benefit. I don't think the gains are ever huge, but it all adds up I suppose. I think roller tip ones are worth a go as they should reduce guide problems.


Earlier? Please elaborate.

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What are you planing to run turbo charged or supercharged?

For supercharged, go for a medium spec n/a cam. For mine I have a 274 cam and 1.5 roller rockers.

For turbo something milder like a n/a MG metro cam or avonbar phase 2 and 1.3 rockers.

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On 26th Sep, 2011 jamie@thefatgarage said:
A 1.5 rocker is opening the valve more and earlier than lower ratio ones. There is no reason a forced induction engine would not benefit. I don't think the gains are ever huge, but it all adds up I suppose. I think roller tip ones are worth a go as they should reduce guide problems.


The valve still opens and closes at the same time, it just accelerates to full open faster since the valve has to travel further in the same time period, that time period being fixed by the cam. What you might be reffering to is that the valve lift throught its duration will always be more 'open' than it would with the standard rockers with relation to the same piston in bore height

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I meant exactly that, by earlier I meant it reaches any given lift earlier in the cycle.


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im running eaton 45 supercharger. so im having a billet cam made by piper which is for a supercharged A series.
i phoned them today and they have designed it around 1.3 rockers and they recomended 1.3 however they can grind it to 1.5 spec. so just wondering what people would go for, and what people are running
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All the 1.5 rockers do is increase the lift for the cam that is in your engine. They are best suited as a bolt on mod to an engine that is in a Mini, and you don't want to pull it out to change the cam itself.

So really if you are having a cam ground, you may as well save your cash and use 1.3 rockers, this has an added benefit that they are a bit kinder to the guides due to the geometry.


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Please dont flame me for this but does anyone on here place shims under the their standard rocker towers? I read a thread on this somewhere and the results from doing this were quite surprising.

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On 27th Sep, 2011 Mr Joshua said:
Please dont flame me for this but does anyone on here place shims under the their standard rocker towers? I read a thread on this somewhere and the results from doing this were quite surprising.


Wouldn't this only be applicable for heavily skimmed heads where the valve train geomatry is affected?

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matt-atude, has piper given you the detailed specs of the cam, such as LSA? I am trying to decide which cam to go into my SC engine.

apbellamy, which 274 cam are you using?

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One that VMAX Scart offered a while ago, not sure if he's still doing them.

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hi moke 123, stuart at vmax isn't doing them i dont think as he was the one who tipped me off about piper's supercharged cam. cam arrived today. it dont have a special name they grind it to order i asked for a supercharged A series cam, on istallation data form it say A series billet to BP285 inlet BP270 exhaust @107.5 spec
inlet open 33 btdc close 68abdc
exhaust open 66 bbdc close 31 atdc
full lift timing 107.5 at full lift
rocker ratio- 1.30:1
overlap- 63 deg
hope this helps

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