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 489 Posts Member #: 9159 Senior Member Devon |
4th Oct, 2011 at 09:57:57pm
So can you get an RTS setup lighter than a standard pre verto set up??
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 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
4th Oct, 2011 at 10:04:30pm
On 4th Oct, 2011 matty said:
Ah I always thought mine was a valeo, as the other clutch I had, had slightly smaller spring plates and the metal retaining plate instead of the wire ring. Both of my spring plates are turbo ones, and they both had the wire ring type retaining rings?! I don't think you can use whether or not the clutch has a retaining 'plate' or not, as to which clutch type of clutch you have, the 'AP' type does not always have that ring, but more often than not the 1275 ones do. I believe Ferodo made an 'AP' type clutch, so its not exactly an AP clutch, but it looks identical, if that makes sense Basics of it are, if you have the larger OD springs, its an AP type. The spring 'leaves' are longer and noticably flatter compared to the shorter curved leaves on the Valeo, but the biggest give away as to which is which is the backing plate that its all fixed to, as can be seen above. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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 12307 Posts Member #: 565 Carlos Fandango Burnham-on-Crouch, Essex |
4th Oct, 2011 at 10:10:25pm
I agree, the more I see the more variations there are!
On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged... Joe, do you have a photo of your tool? http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1 https://joe1977.imgbb.com/ |
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12307 Posts Member #: 565 Carlos Fandango Burnham-on-Crouch, Essex |
4th Oct, 2011 at 10:10:30pm
I agree, the more I see the more variations there are!
Edited by Joe C on 4th Oct, 2011. On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged... Joe, do you have a photo of your tool? http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1 https://joe1977.imgbb.com/ |
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 4360 Posts Member #: 1459 En-suite user Braintree, Essex |
4th Oct, 2011 at 10:14:37pm
It would be interesting to start a feature on different clutch combinations, what power outputs they can handle, cost and the actual purpose they are being used for ie road or race. For most...its the cost...........
On 4th Oct, 2011 jamestar said:
So can you get an RTS setup lighter than a standard pre verto set up?? and Colin, would an AP RTS be over kill on a 1293, gt17, 10 psi, standard head 33/29mm valves, sw5 cam? thanks On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish. On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood. Been neglecting Turbo'd 'A' series.............. |
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489 Posts Member #: 9159 Senior Member Devon |
4th Oct, 2011 at 10:17:46pm
On 4th Oct, 2011 Joe C said:
I agree, the more I see the more variations there are! But I agree the AP is the one to use, james Over kill or not I'd go with the RTS, IMO its uch nicer to drive, dosent need adjusting, and leaves room ofr upping the power. also std Pore vero is circa 10 1/2 kilo's, with the MED back an RTS will be a bit under 8. |
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
4th Oct, 2011 at 10:19:30pm
On 4th Oct, 2011 jamestar said:
So can you get an RTS setup lighter than a standard pre verto set up?? and Colin, would an AP RTS be over kill on a 1293, gt17, 10 psi, standard head 33/29mm valves, sw5 cam? thanks No idea Why is everyone dead set on removing as much weight they can from the flywheel on a turbo motor?! The extra mass in the flywheel will be better used to absorb all the heat and keep it away from the primary gear! If some one wants to weigh a complete standard un lightened pre verto set up with sprung friction plate, I will weigh my MED light weight verto flywheel with an AP race friction plate and an RTS. We all know the Verto is a heavy clutch, but then we all know the pre verto with a grey spring can kill your thrusts. If you want a reliable clutch to take the torque, then it has to be the proven RTS verto, but if you want to loose as much weight as you can, you will have to put up with a thrust failure once in a while. There is also the ball ache of clutch actuating mechanism on the pre verto, it is tempremental at the best of times and needs regular adjustment, the verto doesn't. For a moderate mileage road engine, I know what clutch I would use, every time. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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4360 Posts Member #: 1459 En-suite user Braintree, Essex |
4th Oct, 2011 at 10:29:09pm
Hit it on the nail Colin. Totally depends on what the engine is used for. On 19th Jan, 2010 wil_h said:
I would start the furthest place from the finish. On 24th Mar, 2012 apbellamy said:
I feel all special knowing that I've given your mum my wood. Been neglecting Turbo'd 'A' series.............. |
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461 Posts Member #: 9229 Senior Member newcastle upon tyne |
4th Oct, 2011 at 10:49:12pm
Well as I've already got the clutch's rts seemed the most sensible way there both turbo ones aswell but as iam still running a metro with cable operated clutch iam goin to see how long it lasts before It dies & I've got to change over to hydraulic peddle box so that will be interesting to see |
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 8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
4th Oct, 2011 at 11:05:47pm
Im not sure if this is related, but since changing to an RTS I have noticed significant changes to how well the box components last.
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12307 Posts Member #: 565 Carlos Fandango Burnham-on-Crouch, Essex |
4th Oct, 2011 at 11:12:29pm
I cant see the flywheel/ clutch causing that (but will have a think on it) the larger clutch plate could as it will have more inertia, TD has mentioned this,
On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged... Joe, do you have a photo of your tool? http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1 https://joe1977.imgbb.com/ |
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
4th Oct, 2011 at 11:12:36pm
The flywheel is not attached to the gearbox, but the friction plate is. I see no connection with your problems an the Verto clutch/ flywheel
Edited by Sprocket on 4th Oct, 2011. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
4th Oct, 2011 at 11:23:23pm
I was thinking along the lines that any kind of clutch drag will be amplified with a heavier flywheel as the engine will take longer to slow down.
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
4th Oct, 2011 at 11:42:38pm
not unless there is a mysterious magnetic field involved.
On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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 6744 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
5th Oct, 2011 at 09:06:12am
On 4th Oct, 2011 matty said:
I was thinking along the lines that any kind of clutch drag will be amplified with a heavier flywheel as the engine will take longer to slow down. I assume you will always get some kind of drag with any clutch... or am I wrong again? lol i think your right matt. Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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 10020 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
5th Oct, 2011 at 09:23:50am
It would seem to tally. As before we stripped the van and had ultralight on we had no box troubles. Since fitting RTS we're getting some graunch on second.
Edited by John on 5th Oct, 2011. If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
5th Oct, 2011 at 05:17:17pm
Ah so at least its not just me then! Im guessing it would be worse on a dog box, with the dogs trying to engage and the gears not slowing up?
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 7263 Posts Member #: 1268 The Boom Boom speaker Police! Essex |
5th Oct, 2011 at 05:26:42pm
I must say, mine is a bit like this too. When pottering around it's fine, but at 7k it does seem to struggle.
In the 13's at last!.. Just |
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6744 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
5th Oct, 2011 at 05:35:03pm
On 5th Oct, 2011 matty said:
Ah so at least its not just me then! Im guessing it would be worse on a dog box, with the dogs trying to engage and the gears not slowing up? Its fine if you change gear normally, its only on emergency gear changes, driven in anger that it seems to happen. This makes me think something isn't quite slowing down quick enough for the gear to engage smoothly. 
Robert, have you noticed any difference with how yours goes into gear since fitting the RTS? nope ,slick as anything at up to 7100 , but the oil i use makes a diff compared to normal oil. i think its important to do a good few miles to bed it all in,and have it release cleanly. Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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 2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
5th Oct, 2011 at 07:24:30pm
i had issues like this with my rts, and it was down to the cover nto adequately clearing the plate when the release lever was pressed, rebuilding it with closer attention to clerances sorted it in one instance. and loading it up in boost at a standstill in 5th sorted it in another (was desperate) turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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6744 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
5th Oct, 2011 at 08:02:04pm
the smell of burning clutch plates erupts across the british isles . Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
5th Oct, 2011 at 08:02:25pm
Hmmm looks like another thing to have a look at on the "to do" list. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fusion-Fabri..._homepage_panel
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12307 Posts Member #: 565 Carlos Fandango Burnham-on-Crouch, Essex |
5th Oct, 2011 at 08:22:12pm
not enough pencil lead between your springs? On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged... Joe, do you have a photo of your tool? http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1 https://joe1977.imgbb.com/ |
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 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
5th Oct, 2011 at 08:31:11pm
john, are you getting enough throw on the clutch or worn ball and cup thing? ive not got a problem with mine but did have a problem to begin with, getting it bled up right helped alot Yes i moved to the darkside |
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
25th Oct, 2011 at 07:08:31pm
. Edited by Sprocket on 11th Sep, 2012. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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