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2496 Posts Member #: 1954 Post Whore Luton Bedfordshire |
2nd Jan, 2012 at 07:06:06pm
Its been over a year since she last was on the road. But all the drama aside and christmas spent with spanner in hand has been paid back by my little beauty firing back to life. The re-built engine spec is as follows.
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![]() 2742 Posts Member #: 637 Post Whore Hertfordshire |
2nd Jan, 2012 at 07:16:08pm
well done mate!!
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![]() 2057 Posts Member #: 9252 Post Whore Cleethorpes |
2nd Jan, 2012 at 07:28:20pm
nice one i cant wait for the day i get to fire up my turbo lump Done now needs redoing lol |
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![]() 665 Posts Member #: 9345 Post Whore Sheffield |
2nd Jan, 2012 at 07:29:52pm
On 2nd Jan, 2012 Mr Joshua said:
I have calculated the static cr to be 7.06/1 wouldn't you need about a 3mm deck height to get that based on your spec or is my maths wrong? |
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1226 Posts Member #: 9271 Post Whore Stoke on Trent |
2nd Jan, 2012 at 07:52:28pm
Nice to hear you got a running motor, I was under the impression that the dynamic cr was less than the static cr due to piston being part way back up the bore before total valve closure? one day boost will be mine!
On 10th Mar, 2012 Joe C said:
TBH peple stick it everywhere... and theres merits to each... |
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![]() 8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
2nd Jan, 2012 at 09:19:26pm
7.06:1, thats about the lowest figure ive seen!
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2496 Posts Member #: 1954 Post Whore Luton Bedfordshire |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 12:08:06am
Edited by Mr Joshua on 3rd Jan, 2012. Own the day
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![]() 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 01:01:10am
On 2nd Jan, 2012 Mr Joshua said:
I have calculated the static cr to be 7.06/1, this will allow me to run 15psi of boost and a dynamic cr of 14.5ish/1 Not sure how you'll manage to get a dynamic CR of 14.5:1 at 15psi with 7:1 static othern than having the inlet valves close at TDC. You could go 30psi with a 7:1 static compression, and a decent intercooler. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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2496 Posts Member #: 1954 Post Whore Luton Bedfordshire |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 01:17:27am
I put all my figures into the calculator I posted on here a while back and it came out at 7.06/1 static. If I use a standard thickness gasket (0.30") it works out to be over 8.4/1 Own the day
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3006 Posts Member #: 2500 Post Whore Buckinghamshire |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 09:05:05am
You are all making me wonder about my CR now !
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2496 Posts Member #: 1954 Post Whore Luton Bedfordshire |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 10:33:12am
How thick is your head gasket. When I used both calculators on here I got massively different figures. When I looked into it one of them left out a volume figure, I can't remember what figure it was, either piston dish volume or gasket.
Edited by Mr Joshua on 3rd Jan, 2012. Own the day
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![]() 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 05:11:21pm
With the figures you give for the pistons, the head and the gasket, I too work it out at around 7:1 CR
Edited by Sprocket on 3rd Jan, 2012. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 05:30:49pm
On 3rd Jan, 2012 Mr Joshua said:
If I use a standard thickness gasket (0.30") it works out to be over 8.4/1 On 3rd Jan, 2012 Mr Joshua said:
Cometic 0.140 head gasket. Your head gaskets thicknesses are all to cock. Allowing 4cc for gasket and deck/ring land will give around 8.4:1. Just right. Edited by Paul S on 3rd Jan, 2012. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 05:38:48pm
http://www.minispeed.co.uk/content/head-ga...c-120thou-thick
On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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![]() 7265 Posts Member #: 1268 The Boom Boom speaker Police! Essex |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 05:40:25pm
Aaaaaaaawww much????
In the 13's at last!.. Just |
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![]() 3756 Posts Member #: 1709 I like granny porn. LONDONSHIRE |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 06:51:39pm
bin the dizzy man,
On 2nd Oct, 2009 Vegard said:
On 1st Oct, 2009 Jimster said:
I bet my first wank came quicker than your first mini turbo These new modern turbos with their quick spool up time, would make the competition harder. On 15th Aug, 2011 robert said:
phew!!! thank you brett for smashing in my back doors .( not something i imagined writing... EVER) |
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2496 Posts Member #: 1954 Post Whore Luton Bedfordshire |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 08:51:51pm
Honestly it is 0.140" thick! I looked at the 0.120" gasket but decided on the thicker one due to me running cast pistons.
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![]() 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
3rd Jan, 2012 at 11:51:57pm
On 3rd Jan, 2012 Mr Joshua said:
The link to the suite that has the compression radio calculator also has a boost compression ratio calculator which takes into consideration your pressure altitude for correction. Agreed what cam you use will have a marked affect on your cranking compression ratio but from what I can tell the one I installed its a modified MG Metro can shaft.winch is very close to the sw5. Ah OK. That is not actually 'dynamic' compression ratio. The dynamic compression ratio takes into consideration the stroke, the rod length and the crank angle at the point the inlet vlave closes. Mostly, the piston has already started to travel back up the bore on the compression stroke before the inlet valve has closed, therefore, the dynamic compression will be less than the static, since there is less volume of trapped charge within the cylinder. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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2496 Posts Member #: 1954 Post Whore Luton Bedfordshire |
4th Jan, 2012 at 05:32:41am
Ah! Sorry I made the wrong assumption with my terminology.
Edited by Mr Joshua on 4th Jan, 2012. Own the day
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
4th Jan, 2012 at 10:02:13am
On 4th Jan, 2012 Mr Joshua said:
I ran a n/a mini at 14:1cr so built this engine to achieve that cr while on boost. So running a static cr of 7:1 and 15psi of boost should give me an on boost compression radio of 14:1 roughly. So, if you wanted to run 30 psi, you would drop the compression ratio down to less than 5:1 ??? The main factor in determining the compression ratio is detonation which is caused, primarily by high cylinder temperatures, not pressures. The temperature of the charge at the point of ignition is determined by the charge tempertaure at the inlet valve. It therefore follows that if you can guarantee ambient temperature at the inlet valve, you do not need to reduce the compression ratio at all. Obviously you can't achieve that, but there is little need to go below 8:1 at any boost with a half decent intercooler. Having said that, with the right set of manifolds and pulse tuning creating positive scavenging, a low compression ratio could, in theory, make more power :) but that's another subject altogether. Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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![]() 665 Posts Member #: 9345 Post Whore Sheffield |
4th Jan, 2012 at 08:28:29pm
On 4th Jan, 2012 Paul S said:
On 4th Jan, 2012 Mr Joshua said:
I ran a n/a mini at 14:1cr so built this engine to achieve that cr while on boost. So running a static cr of 7:1 and 15psi of boost should give me an on boost compression radio of 14:1 roughly. So, if you wanted to run 30 psi, you would drop the compression ratio down to less than 5:1 ??? The main factor in determining the compression ratio is detonation which is caused, primarily by high cylinder temperatures, not pressures. The temperature of the charge at the point of ignition is determined by the charge tempertaure at the inlet valve. It therefore follows that if you can guarantee ambient temperature at the inlet valve, you do not need to reduce the compression ratio at all. Obviously you can't achieve that, but there is little need to go below 8:1 at any boost with a half decent intercooler. Having said that, with the right set of manifolds and pulse tuning creating positive scavenging, a low compression ratio could, in theory, make more power :) but that's another subject altogether. Agree with all of that, and point out that the mixture, octane rating (including the effect of things like water and or meth etc) also may influence CR decisions. |
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