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 4890 Posts Member #: 1775 Post Whore Chester |
16th Jan, 2012 at 11:01:06pm
If not because there are some tm members and if you keep looking fast Carl's cams Edited by gr4h4m on 16th Jan, 2012. I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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 3756 Posts Member #: 1709 I like granny porn. LONDONSHIRE |
16th Jan, 2012 at 11:07:51pm
Vizards daughter......:)
On 2nd Oct, 2009 Vegard said:
On 1st Oct, 2009 Jimster said:
I bet my first wank came quicker than your first mini turbo These new modern turbos with their quick spool up time, would make the competition harder. On 15th Aug, 2011 robert said:
phew!!! thank you brett for smashing in my back doors .( not something i imagined writing... EVER) |
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 684 Posts Member #: 9590 Post Whore Derby |
16th Jan, 2012 at 11:26:06pm
Quite an interesting read! I'd like to know what sort of spec DV daughters car was running. 135bhp @ the wheels 6400 rpm was it?
Matt W
On 14th Mar, 2012 mw3 said:
Got a nice big delivery from Carl at Force Racing today. |
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
17th Jan, 2012 at 12:03:14am
On 16th Jan, 2012 mw3 said:
Quite an interesting read! I'd like to know what sort of spec DV daughters car was running. 135bhp @ the wheels 6400 rpm was it? I'm still sceptical myself as to these big power 5 port n/a engines. But he does clearly say to ignore the power numbers. The on track performance is what counts as real evidence. I'd imagine if you did follow the yellow book to a tee, then you could produce some great results DIY. Having the patience and skill to do the head porting would be difficult. As would finding the right people to cut any valve seats etc A couple of good threads emerged here, although not Mini related. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.a...e+valve+jobs%3F http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.a...city+Dyno+Tests 9.85 @ 145mph
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Site Admin  9407 Posts Member #: 58 455bhp per ton 12 sec 1/4 mile road legal mini Sunny Bridgend, South Wales |
17th Jan, 2012 at 10:41:41am
small world, the spotty 18 year old is one of the guys who builds out miglia engines, has been building superbike engines for years, but still does A series for us. Very clever guy On 15th May, 2009 TurboDave said:
I think the welsh one has it right! 1st to provide running proof of turbo twinkie in a car and first to run a 1/4 in one!! Is your data backed up?? one extra month free for all Turbo minis members, PM me for detials |
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 9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
17th Jan, 2012 at 11:45:38am
Reading DVs response, he is a guilty as anyone of telling a good story. There is little evidence of his claims that he beat lots of cars that should have been faster. I know I like to say I beat lots of 1275 turbos with my 998, but there's lots of reasons why.
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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 5329 Posts Member #: 140 Proven 200+bhp & Avon Park 05,06,07 Class D 3rd place |
17th Jan, 2012 at 12:16:22pm
nice post Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
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3594 Posts Member #: 655 Post Whore Northern Ireland |
17th Jan, 2012 at 12:25:56pm
On 17th Jan, 2012 wil_h said:
Reading DVs response, he is a guilty as anyone of telling a good story. There is little evidence of his claims that he beat lots of cars that should have been faster. I know I like to say I beat lots of 1275 turbos with my 998, but there's lots of reasons why. As we always say on TM, show us the ticket! Given the length of time he has been involved with engines and his reputation. Why would you disbelieve him ? And why would he have a time slip from maybe 30 years ago from his daughter ? I dont think there is any doubt about his credentials, or indeed what he has shared with the tuning world via books and other media. And just because people went faster 10, 20, or 30+ years ago that you didnt hear of, doesnt mean it didnt happen. They just didnt post on the internet at the time that they did it 
9.85 @ 145mph
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 2054 Posts Member #: 452 Post Whore Chester, UK |
17th Jan, 2012 at 12:27:50pm
was there even internet 20-30 years ago.....
Edited by t@z on 17th Jan, 2012. |
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Site Admin  15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
17th Jan, 2012 at 12:43:45pm
It is a good read, I think the comments about not much improvement since are justified really given the time frame, although there has definitely been a jump in the last few years, I can remember JF winning Avon Park with a 13.2, then running a 13.048 on slicks, only a few years ago.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
17th Jan, 2012 at 12:48:03pm
I'm not saying that the story has no truth, and he clearly built some decent engines back in the day. And 5-ports heads are the same as they have ever been, so they will have been as fast in the '80s as they are now.
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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 580 Posts Member #: 9580 Post Whore Surrey |
17th Jan, 2012 at 12:58:57pm
There is a nice saying used in drag racing. "When the lights drop, the bullshit stops" |
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684 Posts Member #: 9590 Post Whore Derby |
17th Jan, 2012 at 01:05:49pm
Ill have to see it to believe it. Matt W
On 14th Mar, 2012 mw3 said:
Got a nice big delivery from Carl at Force Racing today. |
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 10022 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
17th Jan, 2012 at 01:12:52pm
On 17th Jan, 2012 Jimster said:
aaahh nic with a 5 port, the good old years Nic still has "A" 5 port.
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 8297 Posts Member #: 408 Turbo Love Palace Fool Aylesbury |
17th Jan, 2012 at 09:27:46pm
We all know how difficult it is to even knock 0.1 of a second off our times or add 1mph to our terminals. When you consider that you basically have to run a 12sec quarter mile to stand a chance of a trophy at Avon, where as a few years back anything in the 13's you'd be in with a chance, to me that really does show how far things have progressed! https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fusion-Fabri..._homepage_panel
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 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
17th Jan, 2012 at 09:54:57pm
Was speaking to DV at the Autosport show and he said that using a turbo, you don't really need those 16 valves, 8 will do just fine. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
17th Jan, 2012 at 10:00:43pm
On 17th Jan, 2012 Sprocket said:
Was speaking to DV at the Autosport show and he said that using a turbo, you don't really need those 16 valves, 8 will do just fine. Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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 7265 Posts Member #: 1268 The Boom Boom speaker Police! Essex |
17th Jan, 2012 at 10:04:21pm
That's a good read.
In the 13's at last!.. Just |
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
17th Jan, 2012 at 10:22:01pm
On 17th Jan, 2012 wil_h said:
He also said that he hadn't really played with turbos, so how does he know. I'd say from this forum alone it is obvious that the 16v motors make more power on less boost. Or is that your point? On 17th Jan, 2012 Sprocket said: Was speaking to DV at the Autosport show and he said that using a turbo, you don't really need those 16 valves, 8 will do just fine. maybe it was 
What he explained was that the turbo doesn't know if there is one or two inlet valves, since there is more than atmospheric pressure pushing in, any benefit of the extra valve area is soon out weighed by the boost . He also talked about the loss os swirl with 2 inlets compared to just the one. I'm sticking with all 16 valves, a log exhaust manifold and a compact log plenum, much to DV's disgust. Fact is, that should easily net 180hp on 15psi, if not more, so, like DV said earlier in the conversation, OEM manfacturers build engines to a power figure to suit the grade of vehicle in a sales driven market. Once that figure is achived, all development stops. It doesnt matter how much more that engine is capable of the target has been satisfied. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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1267 Posts Member #: 831 Post Whore Montreal, Canada |
18th Jan, 2012 at 12:54:59am
On 17th Jan, 2012 Sprocket said:
I'm sticking with all 16 valves, a log exhaust manifold and a compact log plenum... What's the point in using a 16-valve head if you're going to choke it on both the intake and exhaust sides? Jean |
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 3673 Posts Member #: 9300 Post Whore Quarry Bonk |
18th Jan, 2012 at 02:02:46am
In my head, the reason the 16v heads are better is all down to the design of the head in our case, i very much doubt an a series 5 port head, with 16 valves (impossible i know) would create very little, if any, benefit over the 8v under boost. The a series head is a very old design, and average at best, which is where the modern more efficient head conversions come into play. I'd love to fit a better head than 5 port later on down the line, but the 5 port is good enough for me as im not planning to squeeze every last horsepower the a series is capable of producing. Until one day i wake up and decide that i do.
On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!! 17.213 @ 71mph, 64bhp n/a (Old Engine) |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
18th Jan, 2012 at 07:51:58am
I think DV is missing something then. a turbo engine will respond the same to head mods as an NA engine.
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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4309 Posts Member #: 1321 Post Whore Wiltshire |
18th Jan, 2012 at 08:55:29am
On 18th Jan, 2012 jbelanger said:
On 17th Jan, 2012 Sprocket said:
I'm sticking with all 16 valves, a log exhaust manifold and a compact log plenum... What's the point in using a 16-valve head if you're going to choke it on both the intake and exhaust sides? Jean My reason for going 16 valves is to have an engine with smooth bottom end running,with top end revs. Also for track use with things are held at full throttle for long periods of time better cooling. for a road engine i'd stick with the 5 port. On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding |
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 3 Posts Member #: 9725 Junior Member |
18th Jan, 2012 at 02:25:22pm
On the link a 5-speed box was mentioned, are these suitable for big power turbo engines because i thought the actual cogs were smaller to fit in 5-speeds so they are weaker?
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 976 Posts Member #: 3228 Post Whore North of the Netherlands |
18th Jan, 2012 at 02:43:59pm
Incidently, DV will be doing a seminar in Swansea Sept this year:
Dazed and Confused.... |
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