Water/methanol with no Intercooler
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Anyone running this? Seems to be a few benefits such as shorter inlet track, no hassle finding space where there is airflow and perhaps more consistent inlet temps

Edited by mayoturbo on 13th Jun, 2012.

I will be running it in early August if all goes to.plan. I'll be running a gay supercharger though

Even if you have a crappy side-mount intercooler it is better than none. Then use water/meth to compliment it.

If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of.

Best article I've ever read on the subject:

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_110213/article.html

Cheers

On The subject of intercooling:


When running an intercooler, basically there are two factors that lie at the basis of intercooler performance:

1. Intercooler effeciency = cooling capacity

2. Pressure drop = flow resistance

This means cooling the air comes at a price of added resistance in the flow path which can be measured in the way of pressure drop across the core. For instance 8 psi measured at the intercooler inlet, 5 psi measured at the intercooler outlet = 3 psi pressure drop.

Corky Bell of Bell Intercoolers mentions in his book Maximum Boost that a ample sized core shouldn't drop more than 1 - 1.5 psi , however some applications read as high as 4-5psi.

Intercooling can be a very worthwhile addition, especially when using extended periods of boost it requires a well thought out design with proper ducting (!), frontal area and core capacity....otherwise it both strangles the engine and heatsinks in no time losing all potential benefits in the process.

Cheers

Pretty sure this was about water injection/methanol?

Audi s4 b5 - 470bhp & 486ft lbs

On 30th Apr, 2012 Brett said:
yeah stick the bit in and give it a wobble

The phrase this forum like to quote is that the intercooler is not the icing on the cake, it is more the cake.

This subject has been covered a lot though.

http://www.twin-turbo.co.uk
http://www.hillclimbandsprint.co.uk/default.asp

A man without a project is like a like a woman without a shopping list.

BTW there's another interesting use of water; external intercooler spray to increase intercooling efficiency.

The early integrales evo1 came with such a system fitted for homologation purposes, requiring only a fuse to be activated. It was a rather crude system, being boost activated only therefore running out of water rather quickly....no problem during stage rallying with only a few km's between service.

A more advanced system which is much more efficient on the use of water can be found on autospeed in the intelligent intercooler waterspray series of articles:

http://autospeed.com/cms/search/index.html...t+spray&x=0&y=0

Enjoy

Ps I'll shut up for now

Yes intelligent intercoolers are the way forward!

Providing your not on a water meter....lol

The thing with all these systems is that before you should even consider them you should be looking at getting a good intercooler installed in the first place. Also for most on here they will not be running sustained boost for long periods so extra cooling should not be necessary. Fit the biggest cooler you can from a reputable supplier and you should be ok. With the space available on a mini it is difficult to fit one that is too big.....

http://www.twin-turbo.co.uk
http://www.hillclimbandsprint.co.uk/default.asp

A man without a project is like a like a woman without a shopping list.

I have one of these one my shopping list:

http://www.aquamist.co.uk/cp/H3.html

But only so that I can run high boost with 9.5:1 CR.

The biggest intercooler I can fit takes priority. The water injection will only be used once everything else is working properly, not to cover deficiencies elsewhere.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

It can be done well if you try hard enough...

I have a custom alloy intercooler behind the grill, takes very little work to make it fit, and are very efficient.

Audi s4 b5 - 470bhp & 486ft lbs

On 30th Apr, 2012 Brett said:
yeah stick the bit in and give it a wobble

We are currently fitting this to get some real data. I'm not sure a manometer is much use under full boost :)

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=398452

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

Or an example of a sensor mad install. Look on the inlet and outlet of the IC.

We've discussed IC type and placement plenty over the years, but it is fair to say that we have no all done that much monitoring. But we have done pressure drop tests on the bench on ICs and temp monitoring before and after on an install.

Edited by wil_h on 13th Jun, 2012.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph

Wow, some very nice examples of proper installations indeed!!! Love the ducting on Madmk1's non- flipfront solution.

Will, your setup looks 1000bhp-skyline-nice

On 13th Jun, 2012 Evoderby said:
Will, your setup looks 1000bhp-skyline-nice

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

http://www.jbperf.com/

Jean, Is that a possibilty?

EDIT: Seems I can program one of the spare MS3X PWM outputs to drive a solenoid valve :) Just need to build a regulated water supply system.

Edited by Paul S on 13th Jun, 2012.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

Water has been good on my supercharger setup, and that's with a home brew cheapo setup. Doesn't seem to use much water

I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
VEMS + 12 PSI + Liquid Intercooler = Small Bore FUN!

I've just installed an older version of the Aquamist linked. Not really had a play yet, but (weather permitting) I'll be on the strip this weekend doing lots of fiddling.

In the 13's at last!.. Just

http://www.jbperf.com/