EBC Green Pads V4 problems?? UPDATE!!
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Fitted some of these as the version 4s is meant to be much better then past ones.

I've done about 200-300 miles with then braking lightly giving them a chance to "bed in".

anyway last night I started to brake a bit harder and the brakes after a few hard brakes the paddle stayed hard but there was no pull up and I thought I was going to hit the bike in front!

after a few miles to let them cool down the brakes came back and then again after a few hard brakes they went again!

is this normal for the new ebcs, maybe they take longer to bed in, so I just wondered if any one else has experienced this with them??

it a right pain as i can't use the car properly!

cheers
MW

Edited by Miniwilliams on 2nd Jun, 2005.

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I'm not a fan of EBCs... for similar reasons to the ones you are discovering!

I've used black, green and red "stuff" pads in various applications and always found them to be inconsistant in terms of responce.

Mintex are much much better IMO.

Alex

AlexF

I am also not impressed by the EBC pads, had Mintex 1144's in a road car, they wore out so I thought I'd try some EBC Greens, the EBC were never anywhere near as good as the Mintex.

I have also tried some Ferodo DS2500 (I think?) pads recently on a track day car and I am very impressed with those, on a par with Mintex without a doubt.

Ive had EBC pads fade away competely when new. Some people talk about "setting the compound".

After mine faded away and i almost crashed they were fine for ever after....

Maybe give them a real hammering get the disks glowing! and see if they still fade afterwards (once cooled down)

I bougth two sets of EBC greens around 6 years ago. My second set are now half worn. Absolutely no complaints at all. Done a few trackdays, no signs of fading at all under heavy braking or anything.

But...

By the way i've heard sooooo many peeps say bad things about them, I can only summise that something changed in the pad compound in the years/months after these ones i purchased.
Something else that makes me think this - peeps say the claims of the dust being easy to clean off the wheels is not true - well mine clean Really Easilly with car shampoo - I just use 'wonder wheels' every third or fourth wash to brighten them up a touch.

I'm sure i've got a new set of EBC's purchased in 2001 in my parts collection. Think i'll try them when it's time, but if they are lousy, the mintex 1144's are the reccomended ones?

Only thing that might be different to other peeps is I use grooved (six grooves) Cooper S discs. This inconsistency thing definately doesn't sound good, and Matt's car sounds downright dangerous!

I have used both EBC greens and reds on my S set up brakes, to be honest i felt no great difference in the pads.

Boths greens and reds had no fade under some very hard braking around Combe, the greens did last abit longer than the reds, the reds from new only lasted me until lunch time!

At present i use a Mintex race pad that is very good indeed but expensive.

For road use and hillclimbing where good braking efficiency is needed from cold i had great success with genuine Unipart pads.

Jon.

Cheers guys.
Yes i had a set of mintex 1144's in my 1380 and thought they were good to.

to sum up do you think they are just a bad set, or could they not be "run in" yet? as i thought it might just try to see if they will come back and stay back.

MW

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I used to use green stuff in my old metro gti they were excellent could get the discs glowing with no fade at all. I could actually get the discs so hot the surface of the discs look like crazy paving after about 6months of use

I found that the Greenstuff pads were a lot better, when i changed the discs to the ebc 'turbo groove' ? discs, or whatever they call them. No problems since then.

Chris

Matt. Why not contact EBC and tell them you're not happy with the performance compared to the last set (i assume you were running EBC's before?).

At the least, they'll send a different set to try, and maybe aske for your current ones to check over.

In fact, i'd do this anyway so we can see what kinda company they are! If they're interested in helping you be happy with your pads, they've clearly intereted in Quality control and development. If not interested, then you can draw conclusions that they know there are issues, but they don't care...

good thinking bat man! now emailing.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

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Keep us informed of what responses you get................

ok will do.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

Well I mailed EBC and the were helpful they mailed me back saying.

"v4 is an old compound at least 2 years old now

we will replace them for you with our latest compound af44/78

return them to your point of purchase and ask them to order dp2102 greenstuff af44/78"

So i rung MINISPARES LONDON where i got the pads.

On contacting Minispares London and I told the chap that I bought the pads about a year ago and I've just fitted then to the car etc etc.

I told them what the EBC chap said and if they could order the newer set in for me.

He said "he wants nothing to do with it as you bough then a while ago!"

Which I was very shock by as I us then for lots of parts in the past.

He said "it's nothing to do with them I'll have to take it up with EBC."

But as they are the supplier I can't see why they can't help.


So That's it so far.

NOT HAPPY WITH MS!

Edited by Miniwilliams on 2nd Jun, 2005.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

Time to get things in writing chap!

Phone conversations are worth pish!

Alex

AlexF

They have a point though. Warranty on a product runs out wether you use it or not.

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If EBC are offering a new set I don't see why they want to confuse the issue by involving the supplier.

It's a shame they suggested contacting the supplier in the first place, as you have now got to go back to EBC to explain what the suppliers said.

If you'd have bought pads off me 12 months ago and asked for an new set as the manufacturer said so, I'd have told you to bugger off.

Wil

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Fear point, but i can't see the difference if they had been on the shelf for 12 month or in my bed room like they were for 12 months before use.

I see your point though like AllanMcD said we spead shed loads at these places and a little, even half way meeting me wouldn't have hert!

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

Yes you can see MiniSpares point. By giving you new pads all they will do is reduce any profit they can make, any business will be reluctant to lose money!

Also I don't understand why EBC have sent you back to them. If I were you I would contact EBC and say that the retailer were not willing to supply you another set of pads and you want some out of them instead!

Or else you will use Mintex pads and tell the whole world how rubbish EBC were.....a little blackmail works wonders on occasion....

I have been in the retail world a long time and have found that blackmail or slaging products normaly just pisses the supplyer and the normaly tell you to f off.
Try being the nice guy (or gal) first every time.

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Yes allan i think that was why ebc said they would replace then as i wrote them a polite email to then. like you say getting all slaggy with them isn't the way to start.:)

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

The guarantee/warranty is between the reseller and the consumer.
The manufacturer will sell to the reseller not to the end user and so any fault type claim needs to be with the reseller.
However, if EBC are willing to offer replacement pads then as a good will gesture they should supply them direct to you.
This way at least they will build a reputation as a company who care about the quality of their products and their consumers.

matt whats ebc's number ?