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Well I sold it on eGay, and the guy has opened a dispute because he found a crack in it. Emailed me a picture (below) which I can't believe I would have missed, and I have looked at the other pics I took of it before I sent it and can't see any trace of a crack, although none are of the right angle really.



Already Paypal has deducted the money from my account, it was also insured for the courier, but now I don't know what to do! Can paypal really just take the money back, and whats the worst that can happen?

As said, I had not noticed any crack and although (possibly) unlikely, how do I know he has not done it himself? I'm a bit begrudged to just agree to a full refund, because I knew not of the damage, and the postage cost £20 which I'd not get back and probably have to pay for him to return it too, which would make it a right pain in the arse and leave me well out of pocket!

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i dont really have much to add really although i thought there was about a 14 day "waiting" time before the despute is settled whatever the outcome.

can i ask did paypal take the money out of your bank account or just your account? i never leave money in paypal :p

also this is an interesting story.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-20...ounterfeit.html

My first thoughts from what i could remember - found this on wikipedia

Dry firing in archery, termed dry loosing[3], refers to the loosing of the string of a bow or other weapon without ammunition, which should never be done. Without the arrow to absorb the energy, the energy is instead dissipated through vibration of the string, limbs, etc. Compound bows are particularly susceptible to damage due to high tension and numerous moving parts. Dry loosing a modern high-poundage compound bow even once may cause a combination of cracked limbs, bent axles, string derailment, cam warpage, string/cable failure, cable slide failure, etc. It can even cause the bow to shatter. While some bows can survive a dry loose with no damage, no manufacturers warranty their bows for dry loosing, and any bow that has been dry loosed needs to be thoroughly inspected for damage before shooting again. In particular, the limbs need to be inspected for cracking around cam axles and the opening of the slot where the cams or pulleys fit in (since they tend to tilt sideways during a dry loose).

They have debited my account so it now shows -£xxx ....

Not sure how this works, but if nobody can prove anything, what happens?

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Paypal is brilliant if you are a buyer, but its easy to get stung if you are selling, everything they do is in favour of the buyer. If he has broken it, and there's no way to prove he was the one who broke it you're pretty screwed, he will be able to get a refund. And with regards to the money, they normally take it out of your account and hold it until the dispute is settled, then give it to whoever has 'won'.

So if he "wins" he will get the money and theres no way to guarantee he'll even post the bow back? Sounds great...

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If he doesn't post it back, take it up with paypal, and he will surely have to prove he sent it, or have to give the money back. I have never had that happen so i'm not completely sure what to do in that situation.

maybe get a bow shop (if the exist) to look at the damage and see if they can tell you the main cause off it. I work in a bike shop and have had people wanting a 'independent' view on a situation similar to this.

Yeah I thought of having it assessed, I guess its the postage I'm most pissed off about as it costs about £20 and has to be refunded, plus he will probably want paying for the return post too. Then what do I do with it once returned, and probably still get negative feedback so will all be for nothing!

If I was trying to pull a fast one I'd accept it, but I don't even know/think it was damaged when I had it!

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don't doubt yourself unless your a a tit you would have not missed a crack takeing pictures to sell something like that.

It sounds like the buyer has blatently done what anyone else not in the know would do...pulled the string and gave a test fire without an arrow, and broken it in the process.

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I agree with above, I have this with a private sale of a spring ir rifle, many years ago, same thing, not supposed to fire them without a pellet/arrow in, not sure how you can prove this to ebay.

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On 30th Apr, 2012 Brett said:
yeah stick the bit in and give it a wobble

Bit of progress- I questioned him about the packaging etc, and got this reply:

Yes i still have the packaging. There is definately something wrong with it as the string cam off the wheel when i fired it firt time. I think probably the best thing to do would be to send it to a shop of your choice and have them quote to fix it and go from there. I honestly doubt this was done in transit and dont know how it could be proved it was. As i said maybe the best thing is to get a proper quote first. What do you think?

Sounds like this to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJoxJJjcQFU

But how do I prove it to eBay so I get my money back?!!!

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well he is a dumb ass, ask him if he fired it without a arrow bet he admits to is aswell as the string coming off. then you have it in writing. highlight the users manual for the bow where it should say about warranty and propper use. hopefull for you his words will go directly against the users manual put the to ebay and see how it goes...

I would avoid asking him directly if he fired it without an arrow, it might give it away, if he does aquick google search and sees they cannot be fired without one, he is going to lie.

I would either find a way to make him admit it, without asking directly, or find a Link or the video above, along with what he said and hope ebay can see what's happened.

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On 30th Apr, 2012 Brett said:
yeah stick the bit in and give it a wobble

I agree with Benny, you need to get him to admit it without him knowing what he's done wrong.

Maybe ask him something like "how far did the arrow go when you fired it" or "did the arrow get cuaght up in the string"...the later maybe impossible im no expert but the first question might get him to admit it didn't have an arrow. :)

Edited by matty on 15th Aug, 2012.

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yea a suttel approach is needed deffently

Omg what happened to the arrow? I hope no one was hurt!

From my experience of claiming (as a buyer), you fill out the request etc, and assuming the seller replies, Paypal asks you to return it, and request tracking information, before returning the money.

I'm not sure how he'd have got the money first, but it would probably be worth an email to Paypal (that is unless you didn't reply to the dispute).

I did ask him if he used an arrow- worded it asking if he test fired if first or jumped straight in with an arrow, he said a pal said he shouldn't fire it without an arrow so he did use one...

I think he twisted it like in the video above and derailed it, I'd bet on it as I used it myself and the string never came off- it can't unless out of line!

I did reply to the dispute resolution thing, and I think Paypal is holding the money itself at the moment.

I think what I need is for an archery shop or something to write that the only way for the string to come off is user error, without an expert to say so I don't know how I would prove it.

As the string was on when I sent it- surely anything that was done to dislodge it was his doing anyway!

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