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ministef1

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There are so many options these days.

Engineered, solid and laminate all expensive enough.

Has anyone got any recomendations? Its about 28 square meters so not a small space.

stef

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bakker110

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Depends on your budget and how hard wearing you want it to be. Also looks.


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its more about the longivity and what the end product looks like. i.e. does it have the look of a cheap laminate or does it look like real wood? I am looking at stuff up to £20 per sq/m really....

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Do you have under floor heating? If so forget real or engineered, wood is a very good thermal insulator so you wont feel the benefit. Engineered is another man made floor, it uses MDF etc as a base layer and then a real wood top, of around 2-3mm. Your best option is to go real and get as thick as you can. 18mm is most common and generally has a top surface of about 5mm. This will allow you to sand and re varnish etc. so for look and life span i would always go real.

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no underfloor heating, we do have a existing wood floor, pikey flooring (as i like to call it) otherwise known as parquet. Peaople say that needs to come up first, but its been down since 1970 and is stuck down with bituman. can't i just go over the top?

The kitchen is about the same height as the parquet, so if i take it up there will be a difference.

so my theory is. leave it down and put the real wood over the top?

any thoughts?

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I have Karndean http://www.karndean.co.uk/

Looks like wood, but really hard wearing. Had it down 3 years, still like new.

Mind, it wasn't cheap, rather good value.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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Is that stuff a bit like amtico will?


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Not sure what amtico is. This is 'planks'of thick textured vinal. They put a 3mm ply down first, then glued this on.

Everyone thinks it's laminate. there is no beading around the edge either as there is no expansion. I think I had 35m^2 done, cost over £2k though.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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I've put solid wood over the original loor boards to cover up where the plumbers and sparks had taken them up using axes...

Still looks good 2 years later

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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On 22nd Jan, 2013 apbellamy said:
I've put solid wood over the original loor boards to cover up where the plumbers and sparks had taken them up using axes...

Still looks good 2 years later

On 18th Oct, 2013 apbellamy said:
I am feeling particularly BACish today.

On 5th Oct, 2014 Shauna said:
What that's crazy, you go commando hahaha! How heavy is your helmet *tongue*?

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I'm serious that's all I can think that they have used. The floors you can't get under easily are a right mess. Shame really as the hall has come up a treat with a good sand and varnish.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


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I know mate, I have seen some of the said butchers at work smashing boards into kindling, thing is taken up properly, they are much easier to put back down, as a responsible contractor(lol) I use me circular saw for boards under carpet or even my fein if its a floor to be stained ect.

Edited by oli79 on 22nd Jan, 2013.

On 18th Oct, 2013 apbellamy said:
I am feeling particularly BACish today.

On 5th Oct, 2014 Shauna said:
What that's crazy, you go commando hahaha! How heavy is your helmet *tongue*?

The Morris Ital assassin!


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My Fein popped its cloggs at the weekend putting the customers house into darkness.Doh! I was only half way through the door frame too, had to finish with a handsaw 8mm from the floor, got some strange looks!!
A decent laminate will be very cost effective, look the part and be very hard wearing. Grit can be a problem with darker colours though, leaving white scratches, but these are easily solved.
Solid is lovely but can prove soft. Heels can leave dimples, but scratches will only be in the lacquer, and can be refinished easily enough.
All down to preference and cost my man!


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On 22nd Jan, 2013 oli79 said:
I know mate, I have seen some of the said butchers at work smashing boards into kindling, thing is taken up properly, they are much easier to put back down, as a responsible contractor(lol) I use me circular saw for boards under carpet or even my fein if its a floor to be stained ect.



Hows work for you at the moment OLI?
Things are very up and down here in Dublin at the moment


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Fooking shite if I was waiting for the phone to ring, but its that time of year so no great suprise, luckily I have a pre christmas stack of stuff to do and a big job to fall back on but it needs to pick up next month. I hope things pick up for ya


On 22nd Jan, 2013 1972-ANGUS said:



On 22nd Jan, 2013 oli79 said:
I know mate, I have seen some of the said butchers at work smashing boards into kindling, thing is taken up properly, they are much easier to put back down, as a responsible contractor(lol) I use me circular saw for boards under carpet or even my fein if its a floor to be stained ect.



Hows work for you at the moment OLI?
Things are very up and down here in Dublin at the moment

On 18th Oct, 2013 apbellamy said:
I am feeling particularly BACish today.

On 5th Oct, 2014 Shauna said:
What that's crazy, you go commando hahaha! How heavy is your helmet *tongue*?

The Morris Ital assassin!


1972-ANGUS

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I hear you my man,
I had a maintenance contract with our health dept. but with our recent budget, its put an end to some of the few jobs I could keep for the lads. Me included, I reckon that I have no kids so passed the job on to one of the guys who needs it most. I will still be on the phone to help him but he is a good lad and needs the break. I can find something else.

On 22nd Jan, 2013 oli79 said:
Fooking shite if I was waiting for the phone to ring, but its that time of year so no great suprise, luckily I have a pre christmas stack of stuff to do and a big job to fall back on but it needs to pick up next month. I hope things pick up for ya


On 22nd Jan, 2013 1972-ANGUS said:



On 22nd Jan, 2013 oli79 said:
I know mate, I have seen some of the said butchers at work smashing boards into kindling, thing is taken up properly, they are much easier to put back down, as a responsible contractor(lol) I use me circular saw for boards under carpet or even my fein if its a floor to be stained ect.



Hows work for you at the moment OLI?
Things are very up and down here in Dublin at the moment


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engineered wood should not have an mdf core, i'd class anything with mdf as laminate, not engineered. Engineered generally has a ply base layer with a wood veneer top surface.


On 22nd Jan, 2013 liam mini 35 said:
Do you have under floor heating? If so forget real or engineered, wood is a very good thermal insulator so you wont feel the benefit. Engineered is another man made floor, it uses MDF etc as a base layer and then a real wood top, of around 2-3mm. Your best option is to go real and get as thick as you can. 18mm is most common and generally has a top surface of about 5mm. This will allow you to sand and re varnish etc. so for look and life span i would always go real.


Turning to the original question, do a lot of research with local suppliers. There is a huge diferential in quality and cost. I'd anticipate you'll get a reasonable engineered timber for your money

Edited by Rob Gavin on 22nd Jan, 2013.


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take semi massief if you like the look of real wood. (4 to 6 mm massif glued to 12 mm plywood) if it doesn't Mather you can take laminate but know that your under floor needs to be almost flat or the lami will float since you use no nails or glue. on the semi massif you can tak a nail in the groove so its not visible from above. (hope this makes sense i am a carpenter here in belgium but translating it in english...) but for around 20 pounds you should be able to get the semi massif and you can oil that up so if water go's on you can more easy wip it of than when you put a clear varnish coat on it . (because the oil repels water) and is easier to maintain than varnish.

you can do anything if you set your mind to it...
i rather blow it up winning than keep it together losing.

finish date set for project 1... march 2018


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28 m2 is small space... can do that in 1 day at 1 person. (although we tend to do it in 2 days ... more money in the pocket)

you can do anything if you set your mind to it...
i rather blow it up winning than keep it together losing.

finish date set for project 1... march 2018


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Rammie is talking about what we call Semi Solid, and makes a good point.
This has a real wood layer of between 4 and 9mm over a cross multi layered combination of different woods and plys which provide a neat solution to having a real wood surface with a cost effective base.
These can be glued or nailed to the subfloor for added security, wheras the lam is only sitting on a foam film that can flex/depress and reduce the quality feel.


On 22nd Jan, 2013 Rammie2000 said:
take semi massief if you like the look of real wood. (4 to 6 mm massif glued to 12 mm plywood) if it doesn't Mather you can take laminate but know that your under floor needs to be almost flat or the lami will float since you use no nails or glue. on the semi massif you can tak a nail in the groove so its not visible from above. (hope this makes sense i am a carpenter here in belgium but translating it in english...) but for around 20 pounds you should be able to get the semi massif and you can oil that up so if water go's on you can more easy wip it of than when you put a clear varnish coat on it . (because the oil repels water) and is easier to maintain than varnish.


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SSSHHHuuussshh Rammmie, not so loud!!!

We still need to make money, these vultures will hold you to that QUOTE, lol


On 22nd Jan, 2013 Rammie2000 said:
28 m2 is small space... can do that in 1 day at 1 person. (although we tend to do it in 2 days ... more money in the pocket)


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what your describing as semi-solid, I'd class as engineered


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On 23rd Jan, 2013 Rob Gavin said:
what your describing as semi-solid, I'd class as engineered


correct

for £20 per sqm i think you can rule out engineered, karndean or amtico. i would be looking at a higher end laminate tbh.
if you say the current floor is the same height as the next room, i would take the existing up and give it a swipe over with some latex smoothing compound to kill off the wood block glue. by doing that you would have a much flatter transition from room to room. however you would get away with going over it with a floating floor i.e engineered or laminate.

On 1st Mar, 2009 MikeRace said:
Hmmm weberyyy


On 21st Apr, 2009 madcatminis said:
I hope she's got knickers on or you'll have a funny runny mark on your bonnet. Quite like what a snail leaves behind.


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thanks for turning my explaining in real english....

On 22nd Jan, 2013 1972-ANGUS said:

Rammie is talking about what we call Semi Solid, and makes a good point.
This has a real wood layer of between 4 and 9mm over a cross multi layered combination of different woods and plys which provide a neat solution to having a real wood surface with a cost effective base.
These can be glued or nailed to the subfloor for added security, wheras the lam is only sitting on a foam film that can flex/depress and reduce the quality feel.


On 22nd Jan, 2013 Rammie2000 said:
take semi massief if you like the look of real wood. (4 to 6 mm massif glued to 12 mm plywood) if it doesn't Mather you can take laminate but know that your under floor needs to be almost flat or the lami will float since you use no nails or glue. on the semi massif you can tak a nail in the groove so its not visible from above. (hope this makes sense i am a carpenter here in belgium but translating it in english...) but for around 20 pounds you should be able to get the semi massif and you can oil that up so if water go's on you can more easy wip it of than when you put a clear varnish coat on it . (because the oil repels water) and is easier to maintain than varnish.
*smiley**smiley*

you can do anything if you set your mind to it...
i rather blow it up winning than keep it together losing.

finish date set for project 1... march 2018


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sorry. eeermmm hmmm thats quit a big space comme to thinck off it. eu:umm lets say 2 or 3 days of work *happy*


On 22nd Jan, 2013 1972-ANGUS said:
SSSHHHuuussshh Rammmie, not so loud!!!

We still need to make money, these vultures will hold you to that QUOTE, lol


On 22nd Jan, 2013 Rammie2000 said:
28 m2 is small space... can do that in 1 day at 1 person. (although we tend to do it in 2 days ... more money in the pocket)

you can do anything if you set your mind to it...
i rather blow it up winning than keep it together losing.

finish date set for project 1... march 2018

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