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An old topic I know.However this is my second failure in the same odd way.The symptoms are only running on 3 cyls from cold start for the first few seconds.Taking the head off revealed a failure from the coolant hole between 2 & 3 on the tappet side,but no apparent failure of the fire ring.I tend to get afterboil on shutdown which pressurises the coolant system,more so now I have a 20psi cap on.Whilst running there is no obvious sign of gasket failure such as clouds of steam,loss of power,emulsion in the oil.Anybody offer any thoughts/advice on this please?

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Warped block/head?

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ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper

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Sounds like you need to keep your coolant moving after shutdown.

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Sounds under torqued. Have you checked your wrench?

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steve1275

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Planning on fitting an electric pump wired to the timer to run after shutdown,so was hoping this might help.Must check the torque wrench.Thanks guys.

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is there much skimmed of head ?? 3 things we found on diff engines recently ! is fan blades on proper way ? and gaskets now days are crap we found fit new gasket torque it up warm engine and re torque 156 or 20 lb tighter , i no its not proper way but it worked !! that or cracked head or block or head needs skim , also we had a water pump come apart inside was pushing bit water bout but not lot that boiled wen engine was stopped

On 22nd Apr, 2013 steve1275 said:
An old topic I know.However this is my second failure in the same odd way.The symptoms are only running on 3 cyls from cold start for the first few seconds.Taking the head off revealed a failure from the coolant hole between 2 & 3 on the tappet side,but no apparent failure of the fire ring.I tend to get afterboil on shutdown which pressurises the coolant system,more so now I have a 20psi cap on.Whilst running there is no obvious sign of gasket failure such as clouds of steam,loss of power,emulsion in the oil.Anybody offer any thoughts/advice on this please?


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I've had a head get pinholes in the valve seats that gave exactly the same symptoms

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On 22nd Apr, 2013 Nick said:
I've had a head get pinholes in the valve seats that gave exactly the same symptoms


I've also had this when my repaired hole in the inlet started leaking ever so slightly


steve1275

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I'll keep you posted on the findings when I pull it down later in the week.Thanks again for the comments.

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Hmm,gasket failed in exactly the same way as the last one.Torque seemed a bit low as I removed head,but torque wrench spot on.Head flat,so put on new gasket with silicone sealing spray and torqued to 75NM.Will rebuild and fire it up with NO coolant press.then retorque and fit aux. coolant pump.

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What's the theory behind starting it up with coolant before retorquing?

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To let the surfaces of the headgasket get hot and seal.

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Bit of an update.Back together and retorqued head after 30 mins gentle running and 1 hour to let all the oil drain down.Most nuts moved about 1/8 turn up to 1/4 turn.Seems ok so far.Fitted an aux. water pump from a sprinter van between heater matrix out and turbo in.Also fitted it to a timer so I can run it on 10 mins after shut down.Tried this after a quick blast - the fan came on for a bit as usual,then the temp gauge climbed slowly until the fan came back on about 5 mins after shutdown,so seems to be working.Also modified the coolant cap with a weaker spring - now about 5-10 psi instead of 20.


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