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neildanks

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I am rebuilding my engine All signs say it was a turbo block.
I.E oversize bearing in clutch housing
Valve stems of different sizes 7 and 8mm
But when I saw pistons they had no markings so I went and got myself a set of std turbo pistons, Just to make sure

But when I Removed pistons from engine and checked sizes I found the block had been over bored by 40 Thou, Now I don't mind but the pistons look fine and useable but the only ID I can find are


KP 92?? This is on the inside of pistons
On the surface I can make out M .030H
the bore is 71.33 they came out of

Does anyone recognise these numbers I noticed the turbo std pistons where 1mm deeper dished than these but as they are a 1mm wider would this make the diff in dish depth.

Can anyone throw any light on this please.


neildanks

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forgot other question is it beneficial on a turbo to increase valve sizes as I am working my head as well


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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can you bash some pics of the pistons up?

They are probably going to be ok as they are likly to be after market, but a picture says a thousand.....


On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



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Carlos Fandango

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biger valves are worthwhile, but don't go mad, something like 36x21 should be good.

TurboPhil or Benross on here both do good head work at good prices, might be worth looking at geting one of them to do the head.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Jawd

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The fact you asking the question say's to me you need to research what you are doing more.

I would ask some of the real experts like Turbo Phil and Benross for advice.

I am sure they will soon fill you in


neildanks

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Here's a link to photo of pistons that are oversize
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99585911@N02/9415469311/


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Carlos Fandango

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Hmmm I'm not sure about those pistons, they look like they might have slots rather than drillings behind the Oil control ring, in which case they might be prone to breaking up at high rpm/with det.

Anyone else seen that style?

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



neildanks

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I am trying to get 140 - 150 BHP.
I have a rs intercooler, std metro T3 Turbo and head work I am doing with a friend of mine , I have just rebuilt the turbo

I have rebuilt 3 other 1275 std engines but am new to turbos so am trying to get my head round compression and boost as far as I can see I need to go for 8.5.1 to get my desired bhp and run about 12 - 14psi boost but how does increasing the valve sizes effect this could I go down on boost pressure


neildanks

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On 1st Aug, 2013 Joe C said:
Hmmm I'm not sure about those pistons, they look like they might have slots rather than drillings behind the Oil control ring, in which case they might be prone to breaking up at high rpm/with det.

Anyone else seen that style?


The engine came out a car that had run with these pistons, no intercooler but std turbo setup but as I never heard it running can only say it wasn't the pistons that broke, turbo was seized when I got it and the middle shell was just starting to break up so looks like it had run on std setup.

I do have another std 1275 block what I can use my other set of pistons with but if I knew these wher turbo pistons would run the + 40 thou


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Carlos Fandango

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Your aiming at the right kind of figures,

you could up the compression slightly, up to about 8.8 or so,

as a general rule with a better head you need less boost for a given hp but you probably guessed that,


the main thing you need to be worried about is those pistons, if they are pants you'll melt them.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



neildanks

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On 1st Aug, 2013 Joe C said:
Your aiming at the right kind of figures,

you could up the compression slightly, up to about 8.8 or so,

as a general rule with a better head you need less boost for a given hp but you probably guessed that,


the main thing you need to be worried about is those pistons, if they are pants you'll melt them.


That's what I thought think ill use other block with my turbo std pistons I bought I was aiming at compression that low as it would enable me to play with boost pressure


neildanks

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On 1st Aug, 2013 Joe C said:
biger valves are worthwhile, but don't go mad, something like 36x21 should be good.

TurboPhil or Benross on here both do good head work at good prices, might be worth looking at geting one of them to do the head.


when you say 36 do I leave exhausts at 29
I ask this as I have got to have new guides and valves reseated so its not going to cost much more to have new valves fitted


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Carlos Fandango

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that sounds like a good choice, the turbo pistons are nice and strong,

If you go for 8.5:1 then if you dont hit 150 you have scope to up the boost a bit so you do.

I'd advise a cam change too, MG metro or Kent 266 should be good, just that bit peppier than the std turbo cam.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



neildanks

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On 1st Aug, 2013 Joe C said:
that sounds like a good choice, the turbo pistons are nice and strong,

If you go for 8.5:1 then if you dont hit 150 you have scope to up the boost a bit so you do.

I'd advise a cam change too, MG metro or Kent 266 should be good, just that bit peppier than the std turbo cam.

Its already got the the kent 155 is it the equivelant metro one and im going x pin dif with duplex timing chain


neildanks

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Also fitting the oil jets under pistons


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Carlos Fandango

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BMW ones?

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



neildanks

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Don't know I saw the mod on turbo-mini.com and liked it he uses ford v tec but what ever best and easiest anyone got any photos of theres fitted



On 1st Aug, 2013 Joe C said:
BMW ones?
*tongue*

Edited by neildanks on 1st Aug, 2013.


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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the BMW ones are easier,

check page 5 here...

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...d=191396&fr=100

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



neildanks

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thanks that was really usefull to me that's the ones I going for just need to find oil gallery along line


On 1st Aug, 2013 Joe C said:
the BMW ones are easier,

check page 5 here...

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...d=191396&fr=100


neildanks

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sorry ive gone off subject can anyone id these pistons before I sell or keep them for a future project


On 1st Aug, 2013 neildanks said:
Don't know I saw the mod on turbo-mini.com and liked it he uses ford v tec but what ever best and easiest anyone got any photos of theres fitted



On 1st Aug, 2013 Joe C said:
BMW ones?
*tongue*

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