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Rick.SPI

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Hi running a yellow tag master cylinder, but have no braking force whatsoever. It bled up no air at all. But wondering what ive done wrong, could it the the compenstator valve gone wrong or was i meant to remove this when using the yellow tag dual cylinder?

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


Cables69

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Ditch the bulkhead mounted one and try and source the early rear subframe mounted one's.
I've got this setup on my track car using 4 pot's at the front, and the brakes are amazingly good.


apbellamy

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I have removed it on my car and fitted an adjustable bias valve for the back brakes.

You did fit the pedal/pedal box that I sent you?

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


wil_h

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yeah, bin the stupid valve. I have just fitted an adjustable bias valve in the rear pipe.

But Andy's solution is the best idea.

Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph



On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


Rick.SPI

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Andy i did fit it all... Cheers.

Ok i will get a rear bias on order.

Thanks.

Edited by Rick.SPI on 14th Sep, 2013.

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


apbellamy

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Have you got it plumbed in the right way round? The back is the bottom port on the cylinder.

On 11th Feb, 2015 robert said:
i tried putting soap on it , and heating it to brown , then slathered my new lube on it

*hehe!*


Paul S

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We are having a similar problem.

Brand new yellow tag master cylinder. It's not even pushing fluid out the pipes. Both pipes undone, cylinder full of fluid but pumping nothing out.

Faulty master?

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."


Rod S

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On 15th Sep, 2013 Paul S said:
Faulty master?

Not neccisarily,
I had exactly the same when I originally installed mine (yellow tag plus old style rear subframe limit valve), I couldn't get the fronts to bleed.

Brand new master (and everything else) but had been stored for a year or so before trying to fill/bleed.

Wound up the pressure on the easy-bleed and hit the pedal hard a couple of times and it all flowed.....

I think it's the nature of the twin piston cylinder, because fluid from one has to move the other, when they are assembled virtually dry at the factory the pistons will be "tight" and when you connect the linkage up you inevitably press the pedal before adding fluid (to make sure it moves) which pushes the top piston above its inlet drilling and the spring doesn't immediately return it.
So nothing will get into the front circuit until the top piston drops.

Well that's my theory anyway.....

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


Paul S

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Thanks Rod,

A bit of pressure on the reservoir and we have some fluid coming out the lower port.

I'll get a proper Eezibleed and try again.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."


Rod S

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The other trick, if the pistons are really sticky (didn't have to do this on the Mini but on a previous project) is disconnect both outlets and put a little bit of compressed air on the lower connection first (push the bottom piston down) then the top connection (push the top piston down on top of it) which uncovers both inlet drillings.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


Rick.SPI

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Yes they are on the right way, comp valve ditched and sorted, brakes working :)

Cheers.

Oh and for the initial bleeding, i had the trouble at first, what i did was wedged the pedal open, undid 4 bleed nipples and let gravity tun its course, tighten them when they run, then bleed it properly from there.

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...

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