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I am after a bearing which has odd sizes. It was manufactured by NTN but the last one they made was in 1994! I have tried various bearing suppliers and searched the internet with no luck.

Sizes are: 35mm ID, 65mm OD and 24mm wide

It supports the drive shaft:


this is the original bearing from the shaft pictured above



The closest I have found is 35x62x24, would it be possible to have a sleeve made and use this bearing?

Edited by mayoturbo on 21st Oct, 2013.


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I can't see the pics, but often automotive manufacturers make things difficult and use non standard bearings.

What car is it off, can you get one through the dealer network for the car? Although annoying often there isn't an option.


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On 21st Oct, 2013 Tom Fenton said:
I can't see the pics, but often automotive manufacturers make things difficult and use non standard bearings.

What car is it off, can you get one through the dealer network for the car? Although annoying often there isn't an option.


It is from a Daihatsu Charade DeTomaso (Japanese import...) The LSD isn't fitted at the moment because this bearing has play.

Daihatsu only supply complete with the driveshaft £586.85 which is back order from Japan.


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Think itsd Kettering Bearings give em a google they might be able to get you one or make you one


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Whenever I need bearings that my motor factors cannot get I've always used these guys, they have always bin good for me and prob will post.

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I use stateline bearings 01442212696 give them the dimensions and they will usually call u back within the hour with some prices

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The bearing is not a standard size, probably a one off made for a Daihatsu?

The suppliers I have called so far have not been able to find one, I haven't had any luck online either.

http://www.shopmania.ie/auto-parts/p-beari...5x62x24-3425117 this size bearing seems to be available. I was thinking of having a sleeve made so it would fit. Is this safe/possible?


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Looks similar to what hondas have cant comment on size but maybe worth googling

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This is clearly a "special" (oem's do this all the time).
You need to give us more info for a solution however. Can the housing be machined larger? Is there a circlip groove in the bearing or the housing? Is there a circlip groove in the shaft?

Looking at the SKF product tables (a great reference btw) I would estimate that the existing bearing was something like a 25Kn equivalent rating. You can get a 35x62x14 with a 17Kn rating.
Other option would be doubling up, using a pair of 35x62x9 and a new OD collar to go from 62 to 65mm. The axial loading (if any - a review of the current bearing location will reveal this) needs to be considered also.

Finally - I'd be wary of finding a bearing that "fits" and calling it good. They all look the same foir sure, but there is a world of difference between an "economy" bearing and an SKF. If you found a "no-name" bearing, it might not have anything like the "balls" (LOL) of what it needs to take the loading that this support shaft was designed for. If you can find New "old-stock" SKF bearing races on ebay, or are willing to spend on these premium components at your local distributor, you will probably be in a better place down the road.




http://www.skf.com/us/products/bearings-un...-row/index.html


Edited by TurboDave16V on 21st Oct, 2013.

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oh, and you need to prise the oil seals off and determine exactly what kind of bearing that is....
I just sketched it up, it isn't a single-row ball bearing IMO. I reckon it is actually a twin row, or a cylindrical roller. Referencing the SKF tables for double-row, that puts it up in the 30-40Kn range...*surprised*

Find out what it is, and report back.

Edited by TurboDave16V on 21st Oct, 2013.

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Before you go and tear it apart however - why does it need replacing? is it obviously gritty, siezed or damaged? If it is just "tight" try putting it in the oven on low for a few hours (to allow the grease to flow once again) and it might feel a lot better.

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There is a place in swindon that does bearings give me a sec ill find the info


http://www.google.co.uk/search?site=&sourc...534.dy3qPCRpOhU

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On 21st Oct, 2013 TurboDave16V said:
This is clearly a "special" (oem's do this all the time).
You need to give us more info for a solution however. Can the housing be machined larger? Is there a circlip groove in the bearing or the housing? Is there a circlip groove in the shaft?

Looking at the SKF product tables (a great reference btw) I would estimate that the existing bearing was something like a 25Kn equivalent rating. You can get a 35x62x14 with a 17Kn rating.
Other option would be doubling up, using a pair of 35x62x9 and a new OD collar to go from 62 to 65mm. The axial loading (if any - a review of the current bearing location will reveal this) needs to be considered also.

Finally - I'd be wary of finding a bearing that "fits" and calling it good. They all look the same foir sure, but there is a world of difference between an "economy" bearing and an SKF. If you found a "no-name" bearing, it might not have anything like the "balls" (LOL) of what it needs to take the loading that this support shaft was designed for. If you can find New "old-stock" SKF bearing races on ebay, or are willing to spend on these premium components at your local distributor, you will probably be in a better place down the road.




http://www.skf.com/us/products/bearings-un...-row/index.html




The bearing is held in with a circlip and there is on circlip on the driveshaft.

I have taken the seal off the bearing and it is a single roller bearing!



the housing it fits in:


The driveshaft and housing:
http://s28.photobucket.com/user/mayoturbo/...html?sort=3&o=2


Thanks for everyones help so far


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I am confused as to why a single roller would be 24mm wide and have that aspect ratio. Did you pull the seals off both sides?

It doesn't look like there is any room to machine the housing, and as 65mm is a non standard od, you may as well look at 35id and 62od options.

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In the spirit of linking bearing suppliers, the ones recommended to me is BRT:

http://www.brt-bearings.co.uk/

They are more national that I knew!


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Is there not a part number on the bearing ?

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On 22nd Oct, 2013 TurboDave16V said:
I am confused as to why a single roller would be 24mm wide and have that aspect ratio. Did you pull the seals off both sides?

It doesn't look like there is any room to machine the housing, and as 65mm is a non standard od, you may as well look at 35id and 62od options.


Yes took both seals off, only a single roller. There isn't any room to machine the housing so I'll get a 35mm I/D 62mm O/D bearing as you suggest.


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On 22nd Oct, 2013 stevieturbo said:
Is there not a part number on the bearing ?



There is, I contacted NTN with the numbers and the last one was made in 1994!


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Ahhh lol, does it cross reference to anything else ?

although making an adaptor for an easily available bearing would make sense.

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Is it a ball bearing or a cylindrical roller?
I guess I still don't comprehend why it'd be so wide. They had their reasons, but that is not at all obvious.


Final thing you can do is estimate the ball diameter, and number of balls, and compare the to SKF 35/62 size. And I totally reccomend a SKF / FAG / KOYO / NTN etc quality bearing. Personally - SKF all the way.

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Ball bearing. I will guessimate the ball diameter tomorrow and have a look. Thanks


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On 23rd Oct, 2013 TurboDave16V said:
I guess I still don't comprehend why it'd be so wide. They had their reasons, but that is not at all obvious


I agree, it doesn't come close to anything standard in my SKF book.

Two wild guesses,

1 - Because of the harsh environment (rain, salt, mud, etc) they wanted a better seal than the normal metal or rubber types which meant the bearing had to be wider.

2 - Because of the harsh environment (rain, salt, mud, etc) they wanted to pack more lubricant in it so it had to be wider.

If either of the above are the reason(s) it obviously didn't work as the bearing failed.

If I was being slightly more cynical it would be they did it to ensure you couldn't buy a replacement bearing alone (not easily anyway) and hence have to pay an extorsionate price for the whole assembly from the OEM *wink*

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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On 21st Oct, 2013 TurboDave16V said:
This is clearly a "special" (oem's do this all the time).


Why is this Dave? Is it just to fuck up the bloke 15 years later who wants to replace the bearing, or what!!!


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