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Hey guys. My uber long project will hopefully be getting spark later in the year. Was wondering how to attach the mechanical components of 3d ignition.
Any pictures would be helpful too.
Thanks as always

Matt

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I guess if you have to explain the joke to me it's not going to work anyway!


madonminis

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Trust you olly. Ha ha
But seriously anyone have a picture or can explain it

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On 6th Jun, 2014 Frog.aye said:
I guess if you have to explain the joke to me it's not going to work anyway!


A UK sitcom

By way of a simple explanation,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_%28On...s_and_Horses%29

A very short clip fom probably his best performance (BBC have had all the full versions removed from YouTube for breach of copyright).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUl6PooveJE&feature=kp

And that's why a lot of Minis over here are "Trigger's Broom"...

But back to the original question, what kind of wheel are you trying fit, a purposed made one for the A-series of just a generic one ?

Mine's a generic one attached to the back of the pulley and with a home made bracket welded behind the pulley to the timing chain case. Most have the bracket at the front of the engine. Doesn't matter so long as you get the 90 degree relationship between the wheel and sensor at TDC correct.

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Here are pictures of what I have done. The vehicle is a Frogeye, so the engine is oriented correctly with respect to the chassis. *laughing* This may make it easier for you or not.

The Wheel started as a Trigger-Wheels.com 6.75" 36-1 wheel with .5" hole. My machinist increased the hole and machined a slight step in the engine side to slip over the damper ( just the rigid part, not all the way onto the part that is isolated by the rubber) and also drilled and countersunk the holes for the bolts holding the wheel to the crank. He also machined an aluminum (aluminium) spacer to fill the central void behind the wheel. Some of this was necessitated by the minimal clearance between the damper and the front cross member.
The damper is a MiniSpares Cooper S style.
The sensors are hall type from DIY Autotune. They are mounted on the front of the timing cover with home made brackets made from .375 aluminum. The cam sensor reads a small bolt set into the cam gear.
The cam drive is a MiniSpares adjustable (via dowel pin) and I have wasted more time than I want to admit making it possible to remove the cam end of the cover so the cam can be adjusted without removing the damper. The blue silicone is just my feeble attempt to add more strain relief to the leads.

At this point I am unable to add pictures, however; any one who wants to can email me and I will share a Dropbox folder with them. Later today or tomorrow, or sometime soon I will get a flicker acct and up load the pictures to it.



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Here's mine bolts to the inside of the crank pulley



It's then held in place at the correct position with a dowel pin



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Do you have a trigger wheel already? are you on a budget?

To save a lot of faff the Specialist components or KAD kits are good. If you're handy making brackets then the Triggerwheels.com website has a mini specific one. Similar to above.

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Don't have one yet, thought I'd do my research first

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Mine,



Standard 1275 damper pulley with the back face machined ever so slightly to give a small locating ridge then a generic trigger (ring type) wheel located on that ridge, held in place with three allen bolts.
Sensor bracket home made and spot welded to timing chain cover.

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I'm now using the flywheel

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Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
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On 7th Jun, 2014 Sprocket said:
I'm now using the flywheel

Colin,

Given that option I would agree entirely.

But that needs an SPI or MPI flywheel and an ECU that can read their rather weird pattern.

MS can and I assume what you are using can but that pattern is rather beyond what MJ (or probably any other ignition only ECU) can understand ???

Technically the flywheel is a far better place to read accurate timing signals compared to a damped pully the other end but I would guess it's out of the question for 90% of people on this forum.

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or get a plain verto back and mill some blind holes in it.

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Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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Piece of piss to modify an SPi flywheel for megajolt, Like I did for one of the girls at our club *wink*

And some of the Mini 7 lot are using these


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Edited by Sprocket on 7th Jun, 2014.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Paul S. said:
Technically the flywheel is a far better place to read accurate timing signals compared to a damped pully the other end but I would guess it's out of the question for 90% of people on this forum.

With all due respect to Paul, I fail to see why the front of the crankshaft (#1 cyl) would be less desirable for the trigger wheel than the flywheel: PROVIDED that you mount to the pulley NOT the damped portion of the damper. The front has one major advantage in that it is more accessible than the flywheel. If you mount the trigger wheel on the damped portion then all best are off.

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On 7th Jun, 2014 Frog.aye said:
...PROVIDED that you mount to the pulley NOT the damped portion of the damper...


That's the issue. Most people (here at least) use the damped portion because it's easier. And many claim that is doesn't matter.

By the way, that was Rod S not Paul S.

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS. Well then all due respect to Rod. *blush*
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id say farther out from the center line is better i say this as the distance between teeh is grater for the same angle if you follow me?

as in the bigger the triger wheel the grater acresy it will have also the same apls to number of teerh a big wheel with lots of teeth is better than a small one with less teeth

all be it harder to do the flywheel option for most in cluding my self choseing the std aproch of damper pully 36-1 wheel

at the end of the day it still works right?


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On 7th Jun, 2014 Frog.aye said:
Paul S. said:
Technically the flywheel is a far better place to read accurate timing signals compared to a damped pully the other end but I would guess it's out of the question for 90% of people on this forum.

With all due respect to Paul, I fail to see why the front of the crankshaft (#1 cyl) would be less desirable for the trigger wheel than the flywheel: PROVIDED that you mount to the pulley NOT the damped portion of the damper. The front has one major advantage in that it is more accessible than the flywheel. If you mount the trigger wheel on the damped portion then all best are off.

Hal

Hmm, I may not have worded it very well but when I said "compared to a damped pulley" I meant that the pulley part is the damped part so not ideal. If you look at my photo higher up the thread you will see I took the easy option, ie it is on the damped part not the fixed part. I couldn't see any simple way of attaching a generic toothed wheel to the fixed part of a standard pulley.
Although no-one has posted a photo yet, a lot of folks have had the pattern milled into the thick front section of the pulley, again, the damped section.

Taking an SPI/MPI flywheel assembly and modifying the reluctor ring to a 36/1 pattern as Colin suggests sounds a neat idea but that means having a late flywheel (or whichever bit of the verto assembly the ring is fitted to) in the first place and whichever bit of an SPI/MPI engine the sensor is mounted in, I guess the transfer case but I've never actually seen one.

EDIT - just found a picture (one of Colin's I think) and the mod does look quite easy (if you've got one of the rings and a flywheel with a groove to install it in)

Edited by Rod S on 8th Jun, 2014.

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The flywheel end doesnt 'vibrate'anywhere near as much as the other end.

The crank tends to flex more the further away from the flywheel you go.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Seeing as I am getting some of the blame, I'll contribute :)

You get at least twice the error due to torsional vibration at the flywheel end due to the radius.

Or do you ?

Edited by Paul S on 8th Jun, 2014.

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