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 330 Posts Member #: 9628 Senior Member |
2nd Jul, 2014 at 02:30:55pm
im trying to start my car but i cant get it going.
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62 Posts Member #: 10207 Advanced Member |
11th Jul, 2014 at 03:33:38pm
If you are saying no output on 1+3 but theres output on 2+4 then for a start you have your leads wrong.
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330 Posts Member #: 9628 Senior Member |
11th Jul, 2014 at 09:44:27pm
ive already been down and had it sorted.
Edited by coopdog on 11th Jul, 2014. |
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 9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
11th Jul, 2014 at 09:57:00pm
1 and 3 are on different coils
Yes i moved to the darkside |
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330 Posts Member #: 9628 Senior Member |
11th Jul, 2014 at 10:56:53pm
On 11th Jul, 2014 Brett said:
1 and 3 are on different coils firing order is 1342 so output 1 will fire...1...4...1...4...1...4...1...4... so output 2 will fire......3...2...3...2...3...2...3.... exactly...... 1 and 3 wasnt working thats why it was fucked :L |
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9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
11th Jul, 2014 at 11:45:30pm
so 2 and 4 are working?
On 11th Jul, 2014 coopdog said:
1 and 3 wasnt working thats why it was fucked :L implies 2 and 4 are working since nodis directly drives fords wasted spark coilpacks which are paired 1+4 / 2+3 DUE to the firing order 1342 it is impossible for 1+3 to not to be getting the signal when 2+4 are ( or as you word it no output for 1+3 ) wasted spark coil packs fire 2 plugs at once left bank / right bank ( looking at the coil pack it is obvious the 2 separate sides) were these HT leads go to is down to the installer so the 'signal' nodiz puts out is to simply fire coils... both coils on the left bank then both coils on the right bank.... left / right / left / right we then wire this up 1+4 / 2+3 / 1+4 / 2+3 since the left bank has 2 coils we wire this to 1+4, the right bank has 2 coils also these are wired to 2+3 can you see what is being said cylinder 1 will always spark with cylinder 4 and cylinder 2 will always spark with cylinder 3 Edited by Brett on 12th Jul, 2014. Yes i moved to the darkside |
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330 Posts Member #: 9628 Senior Member |
12th Jul, 2014 at 06:58:34am
Yes I know that!!!!!!!!
Edited by coopdog on 12th Jul, 2014. |
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9502 Posts Member #: 1023 Post Whore Doncaster, South Yorkshire |
12th Jul, 2014 at 12:50:07pm
On 12th Jul, 2014 coopdog said:
Yes I know that!!!!!!!! As I'm telling you that 1 and 3 had no output at all I'm not on about a firing order at all!!!!!!! 1 no spark, 2 was firing with just the ignition on not the engine running, 3 no spark, 4 was working!!!! The unit was obv not working properly because when I had it back and plugged it back in it worked perfectly Once again I know the firing order is 1-4, 2-3.... OK Yes i moved to the darkside |
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 3673 Posts Member #: 9300 Post Whore Quarry Bonk |
12th Jul, 2014 at 01:41:24pm
Firing order is 1 3 4 2, I think you meant the pairs that are fired which are 1+4, 3+2.
On 12th Jul, 2014 coopdog said:
Once again I know the firing order is 1-4, 2-3.... On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!! 17.213 @ 71mph, 64bhp n/a (Old Engine) |
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330 Posts Member #: 9628 Senior Member |
12th Jul, 2014 at 06:15:48pm
On 12th Jul, 2014 Carlzilla said:
Firing order is 1 3 4 2, I think you meant the pairs that are fired which are 1+4, 3+2. But yeah it sounds odd that it didn't work, and then all of a sudden did work. Unless there was a bad connection somewhere and replugging it in reinstated something that wasn't connecting properly before. On 12th Jul, 2014 coopdog said: Once again I know the firing order is 1-4, 2-3.... Yeah I know, I took it down to them for testing and he said it working fine and uploaded the newest software to it, I went home plugged it in and it worked, it wasn't a dodgy connection because I unplugged it about 10 times :L Must of been dodgy software or something Edited by coopdog on 12th Jul, 2014. |
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62 Posts Member #: 10207 Advanced Member |
21st Jul, 2014 at 07:05:47pm
On 11th Jul, 2014 coopdog said:
ive already been down and had it sorted. and there was a problem with the unit. please dont try and say ive got things wrong. there was no output for 1+3.... and 2 was firing with just the ignition on in time with the green light flashing and 4 was normal. i had everything spot on. and i think you remember me coming down and sorting it out. like i said i had all these problems and i came down to you guys and you said there was no problem with the unit and you updated the software. i went home plugged it back in and its worked... so the wiring was right and it was the unit was at fault. I WOULD NOT RECCOMMEND NODIZ TO ANYONE!!!!! GO MEGAOLT THE PEOPLE ARE NICER AND DONT TRY AND PATRONISE YOU Please consider your statement: ---- As I'm telling you that 1 and 3 had no output at all I'm not on about a firing order at all!!!!!!! 1 no spark, 2 was firing with just the ignition on not the engine running, 3 no spark, 4 was working!!!! ----- Cylinder 1 & 4 are wired to a coil pack via 1 signal wire that comes from the NODIZ. If 4 was sparking, 1 SHOULD of been sparking if our wiring was correct. Seriously, think about it... its the SAME TRIGGER SIGNAL. 2 & 3 share this property. You cannot have 2 not sparking without 3 (they spark at the same time firing order has nothing to do with it as it is wasted spark....) So to reiterate: You had spark from 4 ERGO you have spark from 1 - Unless the other HT side of your coil pack was earthing through thinair You had Spark from 2 ERGO the above also applies... I wasnt patronising you, and I am sorry if you felt I was but advising you to read the manual, watch the videos and indeed call if you had an issues goes to show this, also illustrates I had no idea it was you who popped down... So to go ahead and say 'dont use nodiz' yet your car is now up and running with it, and to say we are unhelpful is very strange indeed! If 1 was firing so was 4 and vice versa, as others have pointed out that is simple the way the coils are wired. And I dont know it was you who came down, you never introduced yourself as 'coopdog' or whatever... However you did come down and I met you after hours because I had meetings and there was NOTHING wrong with your unit. I re-flashed it as a matter of course, the firmware image is always the same. Your statements are logically incorrect: If 4 works, I can assure you 1 does also, as they fire at the same time :) If 2 is sparking, as is 3. The above 2 lines only apply if the coils are of course wired correctly, which from your statement, it appeared you did not have them wired correctly. Never mind, I am glad you now up and running either way, though please don't jump to conclusions when I only offer my help, and if you write a statement that makes no sense, of course I will correct you. As has the other guys tried to point out. I even did a video on W/S ignition, such that these issues wouldn't become exactly that, an issue! Cheers Matt (the incredibly unhelpful guy, yet went out of his way, from Nodiz :) ) Edited by mtechmatt on 21st Jul, 2014. |
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 11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
21st Jul, 2014 at 09:30:41pm
I've seen people connect plug leads onto wasted spark coil packs in 'the correct order' only to find out that they are infact 90 degrees out Edited by Sprocket on 21st Jul, 2014. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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