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minimauritius

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Hi,
I've seen rocker post spacers to restore geometry when cylinder head have been skimmed a lot.
When a thick gasket (0.090")is used, would machining the rocker post have the same effect instead of using longer push rods ?
Sorry if it's a stupid question...


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Rocker geometry is not massively affected by skimming the head. If it was right before the skim, rocker spacers are not the right fix.

The right fix to compensate for a skim is shorter push rods.

But unless it was optimised before, has skimming made it better or worse?

Edited by wil_h on 27th Nov, 2016.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


minimauritius

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I'm looking at restore to standard geometry if I use a thick head gasket that would raise the head of around 0.06" comparing to standard if that would make a difference.


minimauritius

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I understand that the right fix would be longer rods but they don't seem to be available


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You'd just set the valve clearances properly, that's what the adjustment is there for, to compensate for wear and uneven pushrod lengths, valve stem lengths etc. Personally, I would not worry about it.
Alternatively, skim the rocker posts and the top ofnthe valve stems by the added thickness of the gasket, but I doubt you would gain anything by doing this, and may alter the hardness of the valves where the rockers contact them.

On 26th Jan, 2012 Tom Fenton said:
ring problems are down to wear or abuse but although annoying it isn't a show stopper

On 5th Aug, 2014 madmk1 said:
Shit the bed! I had snapped the end of my shaft off!!

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wil_h

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Think about what you're changing, and how the thickness of the had affects it.

You should only be altering the rocker height if it was already wrong. A head skim won't affect the relationship of the rocker to the top of the valve.

I think minispares sell pushrods that can be any length.

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On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:

the design shows a distinct lack of imagination,
talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol

On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry.


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In a highly developed engine such as mine, we use rocker post shims to correct the geometry. If the shaft isnt the correct height it does alter the ratio. I have 35 thou shims in mine to optimise the ratio after the block height and head face were machined.

I seriously doubt it!


minimauritius

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Thanks for your answers.
I'll give it a try and check if it 's out or not using the adjusting screws


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I'm not sure your clear on what needs changing if anything,

rocker shaft spacers are to correct the sweep of the rocker acros the valve, maximising lift and minimising sideloading on the stem, below is a good illustration of this. normally you should be able to ignore this unless the top of the head has been skimmed, or the seats have been cut deeper therefore moving the valve stem. ( or any other effect that causes this)



in terms of skimming the head gaske face, if this is skimmed, then adjustment is taken back on the screw, what you would need to counter this is a shorter pushrod, but tbh I dont think it is worth the bother unless somthing is binding.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



minimauritius

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That makes things clearer.

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