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23 Posts Member #: 1707 Member northamptonshire |
1st Aug, 2017 at 08:17:48am
I'm putting a lot of power through the front wheels and am experiencing problems with wheel hop on hard launches and powering out of corners, the current set-up is standard rubber cones (only a year or so old genuine ones), gaz dampers and yoko a032r tyres (suspension geometry and cornerweights all spot on) . I want to keep the ride reasonable as its mainly a road car with occasional track days and 1/4 mile action. I've read up loads about dampers but there isn't much about reducing wheel hop apart from a brief mention in one of keith dodd's articles where he say some special koni twin tube dampers where the only ones that cured wheel hop on his 8 port. Has anyone experienced wheel hop with a powerful mini and found a damper that reduces it? |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
1st Aug, 2017 at 08:37:17am
What diff are you running?
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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23 Posts Member #: 1707 Member northamptonshire |
1st Aug, 2017 at 08:45:05am
It's a torsen diff (k series with rover pg1 gearbox). subframe is sold mounted and bushes are poly/up-rated. Up to around 130bhp it would probably be fine its putting 180bhp + though the front wheels and i'm pretty sure the dampers are struggling, i know the Gaz are the bottom end of the range, so i'm happy to improve these anyway Edited by gazwad on 1st Aug, 2017. |
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9 Posts Member #: 11577 Junior Member |
1st Aug, 2017 at 08:46:40am
What he said. You can do the chalk test method to get the proper pressure for your tires. |
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2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
1st Aug, 2017 at 09:39:40am
stiffer engine mounts help a lot, cant remember what your running? but the dampers are most likely the cause as they just wont be strong enough.
turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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23 Posts Member #: 1707 Member northamptonshire |
1st Aug, 2017 at 10:05:32am
bushes are all good. the engine mounts are fairly solid too with an extra gearbox steady. there's nothing wrong with it and it only does it when using all of the power (i have to feather the throttle to reduce it). I 100% sure the dampers are not up to the job, just want some recommendations from people who might have had the same problem, what dampers do you use denis?
Edited by gazwad on 1st Aug, 2017. |
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2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
1st Aug, 2017 at 10:12:59am
standard ones and ancient rubber cones.i just lift when I get wheelhop and roll back into it. its never an issue on normal road tyres or slicks, only trackday tyres. so absolutely no help to you :( turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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2974 Posts Member #: 10749 Post Whore lowestoft suffolk |
1st Aug, 2017 at 01:09:21pm
Chalk test? On 24th Oct, 2015 jonny f said:
Nothing gets past Dave lol NOTHING GETS PAST ME!! 1/4 mile 14.7 @ 96mph 12psi boost Showdown class A 2nd place 18.6 @ 69mph |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
1st Aug, 2017 at 01:55:57pm
So it's a K-series with 180 bhp! excellent.
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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23 Posts Member #: 1707 Member northamptonshire |
1st Aug, 2017 at 03:16:42pm
yep it's on 10" cooper s steel wheels, i have a rear arb but not on the front |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
1st Aug, 2017 at 09:04:56pm
I wonder if a front ARB might help. Obviously it will affect other handling characteristics. Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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Forum Mod 10979 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
1st Aug, 2017 at 11:50:57pm
I'm also thinking ARB would be an ideal thing to try after corner weights. On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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6743 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
2nd Aug, 2017 at 07:43:25am
what front geo settings ?
Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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1767 Posts Member #: 9165 Previously josh4444 Australia, brisbane |
3rd Aug, 2017 at 09:47:37am
interesting ive herd of this with rwd nd leaf springs but not on fwd
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
3rd Aug, 2017 at 05:15:32pm
Lots of my FWD cars have had wheel hop, my old 1.1 fiesta was terrible, even my 2013 diesel Mondeo does it if you do an emergency start in certain conditions.
Edited by wil_h on 3rd Aug, 2017. Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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2500 Posts Member #: 648 Post Whore Northern Ireland (ex AUS) |
3rd Aug, 2017 at 10:38:54pm
Both my current and previous daily wheel hop like mad in the wet when the front wheels load up, I just assumed it's a fwd and firm suspension thing.
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690 Posts Member #: 9962 Post Whore |
4th Aug, 2017 at 07:14:42am
I have worked on and simulated drivetrain issues which have fallen in to this category, it's not my field but I have a layman's understanding of it....
Edited by Aubrey_Boy on 4th Aug, 2017. |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
4th Aug, 2017 at 08:10:55am
Most excellent, really useful explaination.
Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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23 Posts Member #: 1707 Member northamptonshire |
7th Aug, 2017 at 08:04:58am
Thanks for that, very informative! I know my gaz dampers are past their best as they are starting to rattle on rough roads (and i dont think they are very good from new anyway - a suspension guru once described them to me as 'happy shopper dampers'). I chucked some (very) old koni's on that I had in the back of the shed and it has significantly reduced the hop as well as improving the ride as well, so this seems to prove its a damper problem. I won't keep the koni's on though as they can't be adjusted on the car and I like to be able to play at the track side. Just got to decide between Avo or protech, avo are local to me which is handy, but protech seem to be highly rated by most... Edited by gazwad on 7th Aug, 2017. |
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9258 Posts Member #: 123 Post Whore Betwix Harrogate and York |
7th Aug, 2017 at 08:26:16am
Don't discount AVO, decent dampers. Fastest 998 mini in the world? 13.05 1/4 mile 106mph
On 2nd Jan, 2013 fastcarl said:
the design shows a distinct lack of imagination, talk about starting off with a clean sheet of paper, then not bothering to fucking draw on it,lol On 20th Apr, 2012 Paul S said:
I'm mainly concerned about swirl in the runners caused by the tangential entry. |
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690 Posts Member #: 9962 Post Whore |
7th Aug, 2017 at 04:07:59pm
Koni 'motorsport' adjustable 'coilovers' / dampers are very good, I've used them for years on a variety of cars, I have a bit of experience with the insanely expensive FIA Historic units they sell through Swiftune but a good few of the front running cars use them.
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23 Posts Member #: 1707 Member northamptonshire |
8th Aug, 2017 at 11:15:19am
I decided to go with protechs as everyone i have spoken to has recommended them. Will update as to the results when they are fitted |
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