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243 Posts Member #: 1261 Senior Member Droitwich |
17th Nov, 2017 at 09:24:17am
Are you running header or expansion tanks? How are you bleeding the system?
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243 Posts Member #: 1261 Senior Member Droitwich |
17th Nov, 2017 at 09:48:47am
Just found this interesting set up on a youtube vid. Must be a open deck set up to be working how it is. But im wandering if you could do something where you come out the block into swirl/filler neck then back into the block if you were closed deck
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10020 Posts Member #: 1456 Mongo Barnsley, South Flatcapshire |
17th Nov, 2017 at 10:39:36am
Remember they are tipped on their side in a bike. If something is worth doing, it's worth doing half of. |
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243 Posts Member #: 1261 Senior Member Droitwich |
17th Nov, 2017 at 11:10:29am
Yea exactly, obviously that area above the outlet fills up on a bike, but in a mini it must not, unless people are drilling and tapping for a bleed nipple? |
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Forum Mod 10979 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
17th Nov, 2017 at 12:47:51pm
I just welded a small boss on the inlet face at the intersection of vertical and angled part, and put a 4mm hole through the casting. A small nipple and hose then heads back to the top hose.
Edited by TurboDave16V on 17th Nov, 2017. On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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243 Posts Member #: 1261 Senior Member Droitwich |
17th Nov, 2017 at 07:36:23pm
That's interesting, so you've added a self bleed/higher outlet, smart |
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Forum Mod 10979 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
17th Nov, 2017 at 09:48:11pm
TurboHarry went an even better route and moved the outlet higher (chopping out that lump of alloy with the big hole that was the k1100 engine mount... I looked at doing that as well, but decided I liked having the bracket there as it’s a useful point to lift the engine out with... On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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9311 Posts Member #: 59 First mini turbo to get in the 12's & site perv Herefordshire |
18th Nov, 2017 at 08:18:13am
Dave,
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243 Posts Member #: 1261 Senior Member Droitwich |
18th Nov, 2017 at 08:21:26am
Any pics? I cut that lump back already cos it was ugly :lol: |
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2091 Posts Member #: 9894 Post Whore Dorking |
18th Nov, 2017 at 10:09:28am
On 18th Nov, 2017 Nic said:
Dave, What make is that connector on the left of your scuttle? Looks like a neat solution! Very nice engine bay Looks similar to these. http://www.trigger-wheels.com/store/contents/en-uk/p179.html |
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4300 Posts Member #: 1321 Post Whore Wiltshire |
18th Nov, 2017 at 11:45:55am
Are the two core plugs on the top of the head water? Was thinking about teeing off then and venting to header tank Edited by minimole23 on 18th Nov, 2017. On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding |
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Forum Mod 10979 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
18th Nov, 2017 at 01:11:00pm
Deutsch hdp20 47 pin.
Edited by TurboDave16V on 18th Nov, 2017. On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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9311 Posts Member #: 59 First mini turbo to get in the 12's & site perv Herefordshire |
18th Nov, 2017 at 07:39:15pm
I was just coming on here to ask if you used the tool.
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
19th Nov, 2017 at 10:11:48pm
On 18th Nov, 2017 minimole23 said:
Are the two core plugs on the top of the head water? Was thinking about teeing off then and venting to header tank Edited by Sprocket on 19th Nov, 2017. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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243 Posts Member #: 1261 Senior Member Droitwich |
20th Nov, 2017 at 08:20:55am
On 19th Nov, 2017 Sprocket said:
On 18th Nov, 2017 minimole23 said:
Are the two core plugs on the top of the head water? Was thinking about teeing off then and venting to header tank Thats interesting, do you bleed the system through those holes too? Looks like you've had the same issue im having.. where the ecu and gauges use different types of sensors, so you gotta double up on most of them. Very annoying. - unless one's reading oil? Edited by JetBLICK on 20th Nov, 2017. |
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Forum Mod 10979 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
20th Nov, 2017 at 05:21:08pm
That looks like the standard mini temp sensor and the bosch 0280130026 that almost every ECU manufacturer uses. On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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3004 Posts Member #: 2500 Post Whore Buckinghamshire |
20th Nov, 2017 at 06:19:39pm
Just visited John Kimmins and picked up most of the stuff for the build including freshly machined block and head together with all the extras and asked him this question. His opinion is that the air will evacuate itself as the temperature rises if you leave the pressure cap off on the first start up. That is what I will be doing anyway. |
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4300 Posts Member #: 1321 Post Whore Wiltshire |
20th Nov, 2017 at 07:13:42pm
Interesting Sprocket. Thats a useful place to put some sensors anyway. On 7th Oct, 2010 5haneJ said:
yeah I gave it all a good prodding |
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Forum Mod 10979 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
20th Nov, 2017 at 10:37:11pm
On 20th Nov, 2017 minimole23 said:
Interesting Sprocket. Thats a useful place to put some sensors anyway. Yep, that is definately something I’d not considered; mine went into the lower thermostat housing, which I then realised wasn’t earthed so needed to run yet another wire! Rest assured; I’m plagiarising this idea the next time. On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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67 Posts Member #: 8956 Advanced Member Algarve/Portugal |
22nd Nov, 2017 at 11:24:30pm
I thought in the same place for the sensors, but always thought that was to close from the spark plugs and could interfere whit the readings. |
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
23rd Nov, 2017 at 11:13:38pm
On 20th Nov, 2017 JetBLICK said:
On 19th Nov, 2017 Sprocket said:
On 18th Nov, 2017 minimole23 said:
Are the two core plugs on the top of the head water? Was thinking about teeing off then and venting to header tank Thats interesting, do you bleed the system through those holes too? Looks like you've had the same issue im having.. where the ecu and gauges use different types of sensors, so you gotta double up on most of them. Very annoying. - unless one's reading oil? To be honest, i'm not using the sensor anymore. That picture was from 2010 lol. I'm using an MPi thermostat sandwich plate now and the sensor is now in that. I'm still using the temp sender for the dash in the top of the head, but, the latest version firmware for my ECU now has a temp gauge output and i'm tempted to use that at a later date. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
23rd Nov, 2017 at 11:26:20pm
On 22nd Nov, 2017 R.Rodrigues said:
I thought in the same place for the sensors, but always thought that was to close from the spark plugs and could interfere whit the readings. I don't think it matters much. you only have to look how close the K1200 coolant temp sensor is to number 4 exhaust port. The coolant temp sensor is only really there for fueling, the actual value doesn't matter much as long as the fueling is calibrated to what ever temperatures it does read. Being human, you tend to think too much about stuff when it doesnt really matter, so long as the value changes, and the fueling along with it, the sensor could be measuring 85 bananas for all its worth, as long as it is repeatable. It may be precise, but it may not be accurate. It may be accurate, but it may not be precise. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........ |
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5988 Posts Member #: 2024 Formally Retired Rural Suffolk |
24th Nov, 2017 at 09:49:01am
On 22nd Nov, 2017 R.Rodrigues said:
I thought in the same place for the sensors, but always thought that was to close from the spark plugs and could interfere whit the readings. It's not really the proximity of the sensors to high voltage things like spark plugs, but the proximity of sensor wires to HT leads. Not so much for affecting the reading but because it can put high voltage "noise" onto any number of the ECU sensor inputs (because they all share the same the same CPU reference voltage) which can lead to all sorts of other issues. So I would be more concerned where you run the wires rather than the sensor location itself. Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ??? |
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