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4619 Posts Member #: 20 My sister is so fit I won't show anyone her picture Lake District |
4th Feb, 2018 at 08:56:28pm
For those of you that have experimented with these, which, if any position did you find worked best or at all ?
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6743 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
4th Feb, 2018 at 09:08:17pm
short bolt of the engine steady on the head for me Phil Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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4890 Posts Member #: 1775 Post Whore Chester |
4th Feb, 2018 at 10:29:12pm
Mines in the same position as Roberts. The ecu is compatible but I’ve Never got around use it tho 😳 I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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4619 Posts Member #: 20 My sister is so fit I won't show anyone her picture Lake District |
4th Feb, 2018 at 11:39:18pm
Thanks chaps.
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
5th Feb, 2018 at 10:17:30am
Engine running but not yet tested.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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11046 Posts Member #: 965 Post Whore Preston On The Brook |
6th Feb, 2018 at 07:40:26pm
I've seen the knock data from mine and the signal is very noisy when you get the engine going. Not had a chance to look at it in detail yet, but will have to do so to be able to set up Knock sensing propperly. My sensor is mounted on the very top screw for the coil mounting bracket on the MPi block. On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be... So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'... On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
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224 Posts Member #: 9987 Senior Member Amsterdam |
7th Feb, 2018 at 08:16:40am
I’ve seen Swiftune use a 70mm long brass pipe, squashed flat on one side...then drilled and screwed to the upper alternator bracket thread in the block. Over the other -still round- side of the pipe a length of fuel hose is fitted...put the other end in your ear and hey presto, you can now listen to knock!
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2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
7th Feb, 2018 at 04:58:01pm
On any vehicle I have ever seen with knock sensors they are aprx half way up the cylinder bore, on the block. that makes the upper alt braket bolt location almost perfect. my only concern there would be potential noise from the alternator itself. I have never experimented on an a-series with knock placement, but seems a good place to start for me. turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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224 Posts Member #: 9987 Senior Member Amsterdam |
7th Feb, 2018 at 06:39:42pm
Link to a picture on facebook of the swiftune analog setup:
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1745 Posts Member #: 375 Post Whore Leicestershire |
7th Feb, 2018 at 07:46:19pm
When I have had my car on the rolling road. We have always fitted it to the alternator bracket. |
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224 Posts Member #: 9987 Senior Member Amsterdam |
8th Feb, 2018 at 05:46:43pm
Just came to mind, my 16V Lancia Integrale Evo had its OE knock sensor fitted on the cylinder head close to the head gasket so your solution might just work perfectly.
On 5th Feb, 2018 Paul S said:
Engine running but not yet tested. In theory same distance from chamber to sensor for all 4 cylinders and away from valve gear should give decent results. Edited by Evoderby on 8th Feb, 2018. |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
8th Feb, 2018 at 06:08:18pm
I'm a bit puzzled by the comments that the best location is on the block. I know very little about knock but it is well documented that it usually ocurrs between TDC and 10 Degrees ATDC which means that the block is hardly exposed to the pressure pulse whereas the head gets a hammering.
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
8th Feb, 2018 at 06:12:26pm
Most of the oe sensors I have seen are on the block. My thinking was that the noise gets transmitted down the rod into the crank and into the block by the mains, hence the sensor is listening for it there. But happy to be told otherwise.
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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2909 Posts Member #: 83 Post Whore Glasgow, Scotland |
9th Feb, 2018 at 01:16:54am
And just to throw my tuppence in, (seing as we are lol) knock frequency is a function of the bore. That is to say knock is the "ringing" of the bore. so knock will always be picke dup most accurately on the block, on an area coupled mechinically with the bore close to where the event occurs.
Edited by evolotion on 9th Feb, 2018. turbo 16v k-series 11.9@118.9 :)
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6743 Posts Member #: 828 Post Whore uranus |
9th Feb, 2018 at 09:23:51am
a soupcon of input ,
Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM |
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8604 Posts Member #: 573 Formerly Axel Podland |
9th Feb, 2018 at 10:47:25am
Interesting paper on the subject here:
Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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