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wolfie

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I know there has been a fair few threads on the RTS over the years but some of the better ones are nearly 10 years old and a lot changes in 10 years.

I am looking at collecting the parts over the coming months before building.

Flywheels, there are a few kicking around and the main manufacturers seem to be MED and Minispares, any preferences on what to buy?

Clutch pressure plates, any preferences or part numbers?

Clutch friction plate again any preferences? 180 or 190mm.

And is it still m8 cap head bolts

Thanks






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Why wolfie...you should have your name as Fuckfaceshithead !


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monsterob

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I just built one onto a med lightweight flywheel used dome head bolts and nylocks passed through from the back of the assembly.

Pressure plates I used what I had one was a blue dot presumably turbo the other one had a green dot on it but actually had thicker fingers.
I went with the med bonded clutch plate also .

Had it balanced and just need to lap it onto the engine and check it all releases .

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My Minispares backplate needed a 3/4x1/2x3/16 lump of steel welded into one of the pockets to get it balanced.

Still can’t believe it was so far off....

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Joe C

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Use the ap pressure plates ( the ones with the ring on) as they are much easier to deal with as they have a puurely conical spring rather than one with 2 wangles so they sit together better.

as above rather than tapping the body and using capheads, its nicer to put the bolts in from the rear and use a locking nut,

Ive used the 190mm AP rally plate, as it was cheaper, but any of the AP performance plates will be fine.

dont over do the springs, I used a pair of 1275 springs and havend had any slip even when I stuck 27psi un the motor by accident.

I used the MED billet back, in the hope that it would be closer to being ballenced, dunno if it was caus I never ballenced it and just stuffed it in there ( yeah i know...) I think theres not a lot of difference in the weigh of the MS & MED ones, and they are about the same price. Also MED swapped my ring gear to preverto to match my starter they moand a bit but did it anyway for no extra cost.


Interesting that yours was so far off Dave

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



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Rammie2000

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It doesn't get to hot for locking nuts?

you can do anything if you set your mind to it...
i rather blow it up winning than keep it together losing.

finish date set for project 1... march 2018


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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K nuts

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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wolfie

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Thanks Chaps

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Why wolfie...you should have your name as Fuckfaceshithead !


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madmk1

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Some facts to add to this lads,,,

The last batch of covers was all drilled off centre, so they would be concentrically off I made a jig up on the end as I had 9 brand new in the box and they was all off.

Also ap stopped making them end of last year, I bought the last 18 that MS had on the shelf at the time.

I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf

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Rammie2000

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that does make it more easy in a way. ( with the nuts) as you can just insert long enough bolts trough do up the nuts and then cut off the exces if i see it correct? ( with the bushes in and so on of course)

you can do anything if you set your mind to it...
i rather blow it up winning than keep it together losing.

finish date set for project 1... march 2018


NDT

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if this isn't a silly question... at what point do you need to go RTS because a standard turbo verto starts slipping?


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On 3rd Jul, 2020 NDT said:
if this isn't a silly question... at what point do you need to go RTS because a standard turbo verto starts slipping?


I'm not sure, but the RTS is rated up past 200hp of that takes your fancy and of course it is kinder to the thrusts as well.


Joe C

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depends, Ive know orange plates to hold 140hp, sor some slip at 90, likwise with the verto's, all in good nick though you can probably put about 120 hp through a turbo verto, then theres to "20% uprated one" so really if your looking at over 150 hp its a must.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



monsterob

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On 28th May, 2020 Rammie2000 said:
It doesn't get to hot for locking nuts?


I used loctite 270 also *surprised*

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Two questions, what weight have you managed to get the RTS assembly down to, and what RPM have you used it at??

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Rammie2000

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Tnx. Really need to get going on it again. Build the engine 3 years ago...


On 5th Jul, 2020 monsterob said:



On 28th May, 2020 Rammie2000 said:
It doesn't get to hot for locking nuts?


I used loctite 270 also *surprised*

you can do anything if you set your mind to it...
i rather blow it up winning than keep it together losing.

finish date set for project 1... march 2018


madmk1

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On 20th Oct, 2020 Jimster said:
Two questions, what weight have you managed to get the RTS assembly down to, and what RPM have you used it at??


I have found you want it heavy back to back tests shows it comes off the line better.

mine has been to 8k 18 times in one weekend and still have my balls, the way they are put together means for it to brake free all 6 m10 bolts would need to pull out of the cover back plate.

I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf

Nothing is impossible it just costs more and takes longer.

On 1st Nov, 2007 Ben H said:
There is no such thing as 'insignificant weight saving', it all adds up.


madmk1

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On 5th Jul, 2020 hazpalmer said:
On 3rd Jul, 2020 NDT said:
if this isn't a silly question... at what point do you need to go RTS because a standard turbo verto starts slipping?


I'm not sure, but the RTS is rated up past 200hp of that takes your fancy and of course it is kinder to the thrusts as well.


Me and alex tested one on the bench and it got up to 240flb before it slipped, I was swinging off it in the end.

I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf

Nothing is impossible it just costs more and takes longer.

On 1st Nov, 2007 Ben H said:
There is no such thing as 'insignificant weight saving', it all adds up.


shane

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With the pre verto flywheel it was common to machine .5mm off the mounting posts to increase the clamping load on the friction plate.
Having seen you machining flywheels previously, does the same trick apply to the RTS?

On 23rd Oct, 2020 madmk1 said:



On 5th Jul, 2020 hazpalmer said:
On 3rd Jul, 2020 NDT said:
if this isn't a silly question... at what point do you need to go RTS because a standard turbo verto starts slipping?


I'm not sure, but the RTS is rated up past 200hp of that takes your fancy and of course it is kinder to the thrusts as well.


Me and alex tested one on the bench and it got up to 240flb before it slipped, I was swinging off it in the end.


Shane

Edited by shane on 24th Oct, 2020.


wolfie

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Last time i looked the AP pressure plates were out of stock but are in stock now!

So two green or two blue? if green can i still run a 190mm plate or do i have to run a 180?

http://www.minispares.com/product/Classic/....aspx|Back%20to

http://www.minispares.com/product/Classic/...k%20to%20search

Crystal Sound Audio said:

Why wolfie...you should have your name as Fuckfaceshithead !


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shane

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My first attempt at an RTS I used one green and one blue and the pedal was as heavy as a pre veto with grey diaphragm.
Second attempt I used a used 998 and a green, pedal much lighter (still heavy) but I do still need to fettle the geometry further to increase clamping.

Shane

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