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jamesRs250

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I have a canems ecu this I'm the map it came with (in the picture I have added) would this map be OK to drive / run in the engine?
It drives good with this map no problems when on boost I have not gave it any full throttle yet just normal driving.
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lee.pb

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Your MAP only allows for 20kPa (3psi) of boost and will lock at 26 degree ignition.

Below is a copy of my old MAP for a 1293cc running about 14psi.

What the mind can conceive the mini can achieve
MITP 2012 17.01 seconds 1/4 mile against "The Don"
MITP 2013 16.83 seconds 1/4 mile


Steve220

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Its fine to run in below 5k rpm, but as Lee rightly states, the map needs expanding. Probably to about 3 psi above your target boost, then have it mapped properly with knock sensing.


jamesRs250

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OK thanks for the replies the plan is to drive it for a bit to run the engine in and then get it set up on the rolling road. I have not gone over 4k rpm.

I don't understand the KPA part how can you tell from my graph the map only allows for 20KPA?

Thanks


Steve220

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On 1st May, 2024 jamesRs250 said:
OK thanks for the replies the plan is to drive it for a bit to run the engine in and then get it set up on the rolling road. I have not gone over 4k rpm.

I don't understand the KPA part how can you tell from my graph the map only allows for 20KPA?

Thanks


Its absolute pressure. Your max is 120kpa. 100kpa is atmosphere.


lee.pb

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Anything under 100kPA is classed as n/a with 100kpa technically being wide open throttle.

Anything over 100kPa is classed as boost.

So 200kPa would be 1 bar of boost pressure

110kPa = 0.1Bar = 1.46psi
150kpa = 0.5Bar = 7.3psi
200kPa = 1Bar = 14.6psi

What the mind can conceive the mini can achieve
MITP 2012 17.01 seconds 1/4 mile against "The Don"
MITP 2013 16.83 seconds 1/4 mile


stevieturbo

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On 2nd May, 2024 Steve220 said:



On 1st May, 2024 jamesRs250 said:
OK thanks for the replies the plan is to drive it for a bit to run the engine in and then get it set up on the rolling road. I have not gone over 4k rpm.

I don't understand the KPA part how can you tell from my graph the map only allows for 20KPA?

Thanks


Its absolute pressure. Your max is 120kpa. 100kpa is atmosphere.



100kpa should be atmospheric, some ecu's do strange things though, so just ensure that this is indeed the case.

Edited by stevieturbo on 2nd May, 2024.

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jamesRs250

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OK thanks. So do I set it up by driving the car with the laptop on data logging and seeing what the map sensor reads?


stevieturbo

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On 3rd May, 2024 jamesRs250 said:
OK thanks. So do I set it up by driving the car with the laptop on data logging and seeing what the map sensor reads?


No need to guess.

Key on, Engine off, it should read atmospheric, and in most cases this should be 100kpa, 1 bar, 1000mbar....whatever units are in place.

Get a mityvac or other known pressure source and apply pressure to the sensor to ensure what you're seeing at the ecu, is reflected on your known pressure source.
Likewise for vac.

Many ignore basic setup stages and just assume these things. It probably is correct, and probably bas been done....but always nice to know 100%.

I've seen far too many bad ecu setups over the years, to wonder WTF whoever was there before was actually doing. And worse, charging people for it !

But given your table does only go to 120kpa, this will need extended for any usable boost.

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202mph standing mile
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Steve220

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I'd also look at what map sensor it is, if it only goes upto 120kpa, it may be a generic GM sensor. You'll need a 3bar map sensor ideally.


stevieturbo

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Testing will show everything he needs to know.

But given the table is so low, it's very possible the current sensor is useless

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jamesRs250

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OK thanks. I didn't even think about the MAP sensori have bought a 3 bar sensor.

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