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WANTED

All your knackered crankshafts.

The reason being; to test the material specs of the two different cranks, to get a definative answer to what the differences are?

Want one off '6232' crank (CAM6232) and one off '6581' crank (CAM6581).

Can be as knackered as you like, past final regrind, in half, bent as a banana, it doesn't matter. They are simply to use to spark test to see what the composition of the steel is. I work in a steelworks that specialises in 'engineering steels', meaning high alloy composition steels, mainly used for forging. We supply to companies such as X-Trac, Renault F1, and also into the aerospace market, for use in Aeroplane landing gear. Because of this, I can get the samples tested and find out composition. I will have a word with my metallurgy colleagues and see if they can also test surface hardness etc.

Obviously, I don't want to pay for these knackered cranks, so you must be willing to donate them for the good of the TM community.

Cheers

Tom

Edited by AlexB on 10th Oct, 2005.


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wicked idea - lets make turbominis the most advanced tech forum *happy*

when my engine melts, you can have mine.. lol


Tom Fenton
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It will be good to break some new ground I think, and also give a definative answer as well.


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I got half a crank somewhere (don't ask)


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i got a cam6 232 which is ok but i am in newcastle tom :( its ures if u want it bro



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Tom, what are you on. Can we take some of your tablets!
We've got loads of scrap cranks here but you don't need them. I can tell all you need to know about them. How deep the hardening is etc....
all you needed to do is ask.



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Tom great idea, would be good to get more info.

Ian / avonbar, can you tell use the difference between the cam6581 and cam6232

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I think the welsh one has it right!


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Ok then, spill *happy*

May as well have the full answer....


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On 11/10/2005 11:59:20 Avonbar Racing said:

Tom, what are you on. Can we take some of your tablets!
We've got loads of scrap cranks here but you don't need them. I can tell all you need to know about them. How deep the hardening is etc....
all you needed to do is ask.


Ian, please enlighten us!

The only reason for trying to carry out some tests was to clear up once and for all the debate as to what the difference is between the two forgings. In the past, the only information is the sketchy mention of different crank specs in David Vizards bible, and plenty of hearsay from different people you asked. Obviously I never asked the RIGHT people.....

Due to my place of work I could have got this done FOC, all I needed was some samples to have tested.

I (and I am sure many others) would be very interested for you to share some of your extensive knowledge of the subject with us!

PS - I am on "two tablespoons of ambition, three times a day" Brian Potter, 2003


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As Tom says Ian - If you can give us the material specs and surface hardening characteristics for the CAM6232 and CAM6581 that'd be great.
We want genuine info of course... *wink* Not a reminder of what is printed in Vizards book. I'm assuming you've already had metalurgical analysis done of the cranks already?

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On 11/10/2005 11:59:20 Avonbar Racing said:

Tom, what are you on. Can we take some of your tablets!
We've got loads of scrap cranks here but you don't need them. I can tell all you need to know about them. How deep the hardening is etc....
all you needed to do is ask.


I'll ask as welll.... but with sugar on top!

Alex

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I'll add the cherries *happy*


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On 11/10/2005 10:59:58 my first turbo said:

i got a cam6 232 which is ok but i am in newcastle tom :( its ures if u want it bro


Thats the first one then! Are you willing to post it me? I will cover the cost of postage. Is it a 'turbo' 6232 or a std 6232? Either will do though. If anyone wants to donate to the postage fund for this exercise PM me and I'll tell you where you can donate a quid!

Need a 6581 now.........anyone?

I have decided to carry on my bit of an investigation anyhow. Have got a metallurgist mate at work interested, it took the promise of beer but that did the trick.......


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normally aspirated cam6232 i have a cam 6581 but need it as a spare lol. will find out postage, where r u ?



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before you say south yorkshire i meant ya street n postcode etc just pm it to me mate.......... other option would be to give it to mark, that is if you are both going to the same next event, and how despo you need the crank *wink*



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I doubt I'll be dipping into the 13's like you did though!






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tom I have a spare 6581, but its a good crank, will it get shafted in the process?

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On 15th May, 2009 TurboDave said:

I think the welsh one has it right!


1st to provide running proof
of turbo twinkie in a car and first to
run a 1/4 in one!!

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id go with yes Jim *frown*

I'm sure a fooked one will turn up somewhere....


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On 12/10/2005 10:57:40 Jimster said:

tom I have a spare 6581, but its a good crank, will it get shafted in the process?


Hardness testing is done by pressing a inverted pyramid shape diamond into the surface and measuring the size of the square it leaves

And to view the structure of the base it will be cut into sections and mounted under a microscope


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Yes, only knackered cranks really, no point cutting up good ones.


On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:


On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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Like fuel 😂😂


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ok tom postage was a load of BS ! i can drive down half way dude ? maybe tomorrow afternoon ? the crank is a good one...i think i still have a snapped billet one somewhere if u want to try that too as comparrison ? i will have to double check as me old man threw a load of engines etc in the skip last month.

i could meet you at scotch corner ??
let me know mate.



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On 17th Aug, 2009 Jay#2 said:
I doubt I'll be dipping into the 13's like you did though!






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Cheers for the offer, unfortunately I have to work tomorrow.
Probably best is to get it to me eventually by TM mail, so people can pass it on etc until it reaches me. If nothing else I can wait till York/Avon next year anyhow.

Cheers buddy.


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On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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Like fuel 😂😂


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no probs we can all club together and sort it out after all it is for medical science.......i mean TM science !



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I doubt I'll be dipping into the 13's like you did though!






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postage is only £8 at your local branch of staples *wink* as long as you can lift the package onto the desk its £8 sent via securicor.

Pretty sure T2clubby has a shagged 6581, i'll ask him tomorrow.

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Well here is the news, you are not welcome here, FUCK OFF.


Tom Fenton
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Cheers bud, noone has a 6581 as yet so if he's got one that would be good.


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On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
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i would part with mine for a good set of sc drops hehehehehehe...................no seriously ! stop laughing !
bud i will gan and enquire at securicor etc



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