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OK forget road use, i'm talking 1/4 mile. How come TurboDave and MiniWilliams seem to have completely different engines with completely different power outputs yet you run very similar times?

Paul

I seriously doubt it!

Someone once told me anything over 150bhp is a waste........

Its only a bit of metal. If it blows it blows!

http://www.putfile.com/mini300bhp

But i have 150 with my nat asp, is it not worth doing turbo?
Paul

I seriously doubt it!

Du know mate, but how come a mini mig can do 0-60 in about 3.5 seconds and a bollox of a turbo mini still hovers around 5-6 seconds?

Its only a bit of metal. If it blows it blows!

http://www.putfile.com/mini300bhp

Must be down to grip. I saw mig do 16 1/2 sec 1/4. my sprint does 13.4, but mig is supposedly quicker to 60
Paul

I seriously doubt it!

paul i think its the torque that turbo engine has that makes it favourable over n/a.

a mini mig 0-60 in 3.5 seconds is that for real??

no longer a series, but still 1.3 turbo.

Thats what the mini7 club recons......

Its only a bit of metal. If it blows it blows!

http://www.putfile.com/mini300bhp

That is a loada crap...

No way. No way at all.

I believe the Grp B rally cars were only `just` sub 4 seconds...

Horsepower this, horsepower that.
Torque wins races, horsepower sells cars.
A decent turbo engine has twice the torque compared to N/A engines, yet horsepower might be the same.

its all down to tyre choice. the biggest problem with big torque / cc`s is getting the grip on the tarmac...then of course you have gear ratio`s and driver style...these all play a part in why the two lads may have similar times,,,,,excess of 150 is not a waste mate, unless you only want to drive around at 20 mph to go shopping at asda on a saturday of course :)

Richie

Edited by Richie on 12th Dec, 2005.

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Similar times?..3 tenths in an age!

lol i 8nt looked at the times mate just as it was commented on i was giving some reasons why the times are close / similar for bhp difference etc etc

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Dont forget miglia have spot on corner weigths, and full slicks (although not fully up to temp). I should be racing a miglia in the winter series next year, Ill do some test then, to be honest, I dont expect it to be any quicker than my mini.

Team Racing

I no turbos are crap compeared to your N/A mate but what was you terminal speed over the line?
been trying to reply, to the last comment

to me the answer is very simple..............
gearing, spin up and how the power comes in and experience at getting off the line are all factors in this...............
Power as you have seen isnt where you make the time up in a 1/4 mile..............
you said the engines are different, and they drive very differently as well......
one hasnt as much power as the other (as thats what he wants) but it gets off the line like mad! ive seen it go.
And being a good driver it counts for a lot..........

*Edited that to include all seventeen thousand post into one -Nicky

Edited by Nicky on 12th Dec, 2005.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

agreed with mat on this one more to it than JUST power

Cheers Ben ill pay you later

Look at how fast the 1000 cc turbo is! say NO more!

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

max power dont win you the race its all well and good having 150bhp at 6000 revs but for how long will your engine see 6 grand for. if you can make good power at 3,4 and 5 you will be halfway there.

My n/a currently shows 150hp @ 7200rpm, but pulls strong in 4th gear from 3200 and all the way to 9000+. I cant remember exactly, but it showed 100+ at only 5000rpm, it will poodle at 35mph in 4th. With turbo will i better this?
Paul

I seriously doubt it!

go back nine posts ,vegards has already told you the answer to low 0 to what ever speed.

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Its not all about power either, it is about torque as well, as that is what accelerates the car up to speed.

What im trying ti understand is as i do low 13s already (and these will become even lower 13s) will i do even better times with a turbo as i have been told by some that its not worth it and by some that it is. Im so confused

I seriously doubt it!

well stick with what you no.
is always a good start

Edited by Miniwilliams on 13th Dec, 2005.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

well paul its the blower for sure!

i can assure you

if you can fit the large tyres slics on the mini to get the power down on

Paul, turbo is the way to faster quarters. You say you have 100bhp @ 5000rpm, just look at our power at 5000rpm.

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=4213

and that a 998. I love your car and it puts in some seriously quick times, but put a blower on it, do a propper job and the times could be staggering!

http://www.twin-turbo.co.uk
http://www.hillclimbandsprint.co.uk/default.asp

A man without a project is like a like a woman without a shopping list.

if you want fast times IMHO you can get em with N/A but you want
* Plenty of compression...i ran 14 - 1 on 1480cc with split webbers.
* Right fuel mix and perfect tyres, the car needs to be balanced so that you can counteract the forces on launch, ie you want all grip on both front wheels...lsd wound right up will do the trick and hard shocks all round.
rolling road the car to be tuned for maximum torque not maximum speed. my Engine the main power band coming in at 6500 rpm (104 bhp) but had (114 torque at the wheel)....for the added zing you could perhaps consider nitrous ??? to sum up my usual rant TORQUE is what ya be needing

so run thought process down this line

Bags of Torque
Car balanced and set perfectly and of course light every where other than over the wheels.
G R I P !

just my opinion. rally x needs lots of bottom end and all me motors were set up that way i have had very little experience with forced induction, but i would say, by the time you spool up the turbo your n/a will be away, its moments later that the turbo would blow past you, but thast what your nitrous reserve would be for ...i dunno just my idea of it all

Edited by Richie on 13th Dec, 2005.

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