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5795 Posts Member #: 80 AFRacing LTD Newbury, Berks |
15th Feb, 2006 at 11:21:12am
Do you actually need 11?
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Site Admin  15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
15th Feb, 2006 at 11:29:14am
For the work involved (e.g. fuck all) when the engine is apart, then I can't see why you wouldn't do it for belt and braces.
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Site Admin  6293 Posts Member #: 1 The boring bloke who runs this place. Berkshire |
15th Feb, 2006 at 11:58:31am
For newbies like me.. What work IS involved? |
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Site Admin  8506 Posts Member #: 16 Sold the turbo and seeing what the C20XE can do! Near Lincoln |
15th Feb, 2006 at 12:02:28pm
drill holes in the block, tap them
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Site Admin 6293 Posts Member #: 1 The boring bloke who runs this place. Berkshire |
15th Feb, 2006 at 12:45:22pm
Ah wow, that IS easy.. :) |
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Forum Mod 10980 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
15th Feb, 2006 at 01:28:05pm
I'm on 9 studs... Don't intend to change anytime soon...
On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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5795 Posts Member #: 80 AFRacing LTD Newbury, Berks |
15th Feb, 2006 at 01:54:20pm
On 15/02/2006 11:29:14 Tom Fenton said:
For the work involved (e.g. fuck all) when the engine is apart, then I can't see why you wouldn't do it for belt and braces. I'm trying to work out if its belt and braces or just extra work for no reward... has anyone had a problem that going to 11 studs solved? Alex AlexF |
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Site Admin 8506 Posts Member #: 16 Sold the turbo and seeing what the C20XE can do! Near Lincoln |
15th Feb, 2006 at 02:00:33pm
confirm it was the waterpump end but the block was found to be "low" at that end.
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339 Posts Member #: 399 Senior Member Austria |
15th Feb, 2006 at 02:27:05pm
that was mine...
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 5329 Posts Member #: 140 Proven 200+bhp & Avon Park 05,06,07 Class D 3rd place |
15th Feb, 2006 at 09:35:12pm
I have 11 stud but it's some thing i just get done, but i see the point, where they NORMALY blow is in the middle so are they doing any thing, however looking above at the pic maybe be there are?
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 1666 Posts Member #: 252 Post Whore Sunny suffolk |
15th Feb, 2006 at 10:15:22pm
As long as head and block are flat and true 9 studs are more than up to the job, even with standard studs/nuts. I have gone for upgraded studs/nuts as at the time i was concered about the centre of the headgasket blowing being a 1380. -MINI CLUBMAN 1380 TURBO- |
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 9812 Posts Member #: 332 Resident Cylinder Head Modifier Mitsi Evo 7, 911, Cossie. & all the chavs ...... won no problem |
16th Feb, 2006 at 08:59:17am
On 15/02/2006 11:21:12 AlexF2003 said:
Do you actually need 11? I haven't had any head gasket problems... and in fact a quick search on the forum shows only a few threads about head gastkets in general! Is 11 studs old hat now we have decent gaskets? Alex thats BS if you do a comparison between the clamping load of 9 stud & 11 the 11 stud always comes out tops! as we are taking our engines to silly boost pressures & in some cases "large over bores" which the were not designed to be stressed to you need all the clamping load you can get even with supposedly better head gaskets. ok the 9 stud prevails but... i think this is just because its a pain in the rear to drill & tap the block & head etc, most peeps find this daunting when faced with a possible fook! up & not having the tools or the inclination or skill to do so. The reason that there are supposedly bad reports of 11 stud head gasket failure is…. the guy who has placed too much torque on the stud over the water pump housing & this causing block distorsion or at worst pulling through, rendering the block scrap. Not in JF case though 
if 9 studs are ok! lets look at having say 8 or 7 or 6 
the reason that the gasket blows between pots 2 & 3 is Inaudible detonation which kills this in most cases, as this is the weakest part of the gasket on a large bore motor IMO alex it’s the 11 stud all the way. you have been fortunate up to press or are you claiming higher boost figures than you actuall run! Edited by BENROSS on 16th Feb, 2006.
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5795 Posts Member #: 80 AFRacing LTD Newbury, Berks |
16th Feb, 2006 at 12:39:46pm
Ben... calm down... I asked a question ffs!
AlexF |
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Forum Mod 10980 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
16th Feb, 2006 at 01:50:05pm
Have to aggree with AF Ben! You been on the sauce when you typed that? On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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5795 Posts Member #: 80 AFRacing LTD Newbury, Berks |
16th Feb, 2006 at 01:55:03pm
TD is exactly right... I was asked the question by a student of mine. I didn't know the answer, so I asked on here!
AlexF |
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Forum Mod 10980 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
16th Feb, 2006 at 02:06:52pm
On 16/02/2006 13:55:03 AlexF2003 said:
TD is exactly right... Whooaaaa there sonny! You've just set a precidence; I only expressed my opinion, not a fact... Ben equally had a good point about the fact that if they are there, why not use them?
On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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5795 Posts Member #: 80 AFRacing LTD Newbury, Berks |
16th Feb, 2006 at 02:17:22pm
lol @ TD... I thought you were our Grur (in the spitural leader sence!) AlexF |
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Site Admin 15300 Posts Member #: 337 Fearless Tom Fenton, Avon Park 2007 & 2008 class D winner & TM legend. |
16th Feb, 2006 at 02:36:57pm
Grur?
On 29th Nov, 2016 madmk1 said:
On 28th Nov, 2016 Rob Gavin said:
I refuse to pay for anything else Like fuel 😂😂 |
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Forum Mod 10980 Posts Member #: 17 ***16*** SouthPark, Colorado |
16th Feb, 2006 at 02:58:50pm
Thanks for the compliment - but i don't consider myself a guru, or a grur for that matter... Just because i say something, doesn't mean it's totally correct or factual. "The man who never made a mistake, only made f**k all" as a wise engineer once told me... On 17th Nov, 2014 Tom Fenton said:
Sorry to say My Herpes are no better Ready to feel Ancient ??? This is 26 years old as of 2022 https://youtu.be/YQQokcoOzeY |
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5795 Posts Member #: 80 AFRacing LTD Newbury, Berks |
16th Feb, 2006 at 03:00:10pm
lol... fasting typing between students tutorials... lol AlexF |
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9812 Posts Member #: 332 Resident Cylinder Head Modifier Mitsi Evo 7, 911, Cossie. & all the chavs ...... won no problem |
16th Feb, 2006 at 05:50:01pm
sauce dave no at typed it this morning
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 6965 Posts Member #: 507 Fastest A Series Mini in the World leeds/wakefield. |
16th Feb, 2006 at 09:56:06pm
i have had a gasked blow from the waterpump end, but it was a shit cheep copper thing and i couldn't honestly tell you if there was or was not any probs with the mating faces.
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5795 Posts Member #: 80 AFRacing LTD Newbury, Berks |
16th Feb, 2006 at 10:50:16pm
The centre inter bore region is the hottest of the three.
AlexF |
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