paint help
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Right, time to sort the paint out.

I have 3 litres colour matched celulose for the entire body with a quick lick on the inside and underside. Now i asked for a high build primer, 1.5 litres which i believe has to be thinned out 50%? does this sound right.

Now the question is how much do i thin the celulose colour, they said 10%? does that sound right, does it need a hardner or is that just for the 2k(Doh), do i need to use a Barcote between the filler primer and the original paint ( any reaction likely?) and will this filler primer be ok on the replacemant panels, will the top coat go straight on the filler primer.

Will a filler primer on the repair panels with the top coat ontop the filler primer and original paint be good enough? ( i suspect a Barcote is needed )

The product i have is Palinal, 1.5 litres Nitro air dry filler primer and 3 litres Nitro air dry Celulose with 1 litre Nitro thinners.

You see the thing was, the place i got the stuff, one of the few in the area, used to have a trade counter with a bloke behind the counter that you could ask and get a reasonable answer. Thing is they have shut the trade counter and i delt with the office. Maybe i should have walked away and gone somewhere else, but its done now. Im asking these questions before shooting and balls it up good and propper

Im so confused, been reading to many web sites, listening to different people, they all use different terms for similar things do things in a multitude of ways and i am well confused. I just want to put a colour coat on the car in celulose and like i said, there are so many people saying do it this way or that way.

I know all is not lost, the colour is the top coat, not an issue, the filler primer will get used somewhere in the equasion, just please help me a little in how to put these together to get a fairly good finish.


Please help me as im stressed, and looking very difficult to finish for Avon what with last weekends event( and no it was nothing to do with the car)

Well there are a lot of questions there

i have been painting cars for over 30 years

this is only the basics for you but you will get great results by taking my advice

firstly the prima thin this 50/50 NO hardener reqd with celly which is great for you lungs

Color paint celly thin this 50/50 this is to get some depth on the car and protection NOT colored thinned out paint on!

You have the car prepped, right ?

Apply the prima to all the bare metal and to the bare metal SPOTS you have scabbed out as well apply at least 4 coats

Single coats let this dry over night

Then flat the car with P600 wet and dry with a shade of washing up liquid in the bucket to remove the grease if there’s any

change the paper if it picks up the flated paint as it will make it alot coarser than P600

Any flat pieces us a rubber flatting block available for a few quid its a must!

Remember if you can FEEL the marks with your wet hand you will see them on the final job!

"so flat them out"

next dry the car off fully and i mean fully

chase the water out of the craks with the air

then appy a full 3 or 4 coats of prima to the "whole car"

same again leave to dry over night!


flat with P600 wet and dry paper AGAIN making a GOOD JOB!

remember if you can feel the marks you will see them

take your time and treat the car as one panel at a time

dry the car off now make sure you purchase a TACK CLOTH

fully tack the car off to take the last vestiges of dust off starting from top to btm keep turning the cloth folds over each panel

appy the thined top coat and leave 20 mins between coats
3 coats only

next leave to dry over night

now then this is where peeps go wrong with celly paint

flat he car again using P600 w/d

Make a good job take your time

dry off car as above

use a new tack cloth then thin the paint 60% thinners 40% paint

apply 3 coats 20 mins between coats then on the last coat the 4th one thin the pain to 70% thinners or there abouts

Turn the pressure up to 45 to 50 psi hold the gun a shade further back say 12 to 14 inch

Apply the top coat

leave to dry till next day then T cut each panel so you get a shine like a shit house door on a frosty night

any runs polish out wit Tcut & P1000 wet and dry

apply the wax stand back in amazement of you skills

then go for a beer and feel so proud

Remember its 95% prep & 5% technique

Print this out and tape it to the garage wall for guidance

Keep us informed and pics of the final superb job your going to make

Edited by BENROSS on 22nd May, 2006.

Holey shit, thats far easier to understand than anything ive read so far. THANKS.

I know the prep is the key factor to a good finish, I was more concerned for the minuit at the aplication and suitability of materials

Though just to clarify a few things, cover all bare metal with primer where it is exposed( obviously), flat the body, then prime (3/4 coats ) over entire car (new panels/ old paint) flat again, 50/50 top coat (3 coats) flat again, 60/40 top coat (3 coats) , then 70/30 top coat ( one coat)and polish. A total of 3/4 primer cotes and 7 top coats.

Things getting clearer in my head now and feeling better about getting it done with results

now thats good. very good.

just whats needed, well for me. Cheers once again :cool:

I've seen the future and tbh its Pie

Oh hell Will I have enough with 3 litres top coat and 1.5 litre primer. I think im deffo going to need more thinners though. Oh and i did get some tack cloths while i was there as well as some those scotch brite pad things for the tricky corners

Absolutely no idea how far this paint goes

Edited by Sprocket on 22nd May, 2006.

Toms put up a quick guide on this site somewhere as to how much paint u need, have you not checked out the thread? i dont think it was that long ago either?

I've seen the future and tbh its Pie

A great guide from Benross!

The only thing I will add is to be more careful with the final coat as being a higher thinners content it is more likely to run.

But this thinner coat is definately worth doing as it helps the paint to flow out evenly, giving you good shine and more importantly no orange peel.

yes toms correct

i have placed my thread in the FAQ section pete

regarding paint you will use about.... 1 litre thinned once around the mini
this is only a guid though!

Result

Thanks for the help

Well done sprox, looking lovely!! I shall be having a go at painting once i have finished doing the panels on my mini 30. Just hope it comes out half as nice and i shall be happy!!