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Now I might be doing a little piece on my car in a mag, and after a recent rolling road, it got me thinking, I might just be one of or possible the powerful road going A series on the road in the country. I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet as I can't play, but want to get my facts correct in case they ask about it. So if you know of other minis please let me know.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

i think you may have the most powerful a series ive heard of anyway. ill do a post on minifinity and see if theyve heard of any and if other people do the same on other forums then this could help you.

also youve got FACTS that back up your claims anyway, not just assumptions on power or speed/times.

heres a link to see what finity have to say http://www.minifinity.com/index.php?name=P...ewtopic&t=53769

Edited by Carl on 22nd Nov, 2006.

no longer a series, but still 1.3 turbo.

p.s are you sharing your newist rolling road result, please.:)

no longer a series, but still 1.3 turbo.

what mag are you going to be in? or is it not definate yet?

i think yours is the most powerfullist (SP?) i know of anyway!
what were the latest power figures again?

cheers
josh

My build thread..

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=542985

244hp from down under, although thats is on dyno.. mad matt should know :)

d'oh, saw carls post on finity before this one.

Cheers for thge link Carl, and imput guys. Vrooom was only taking about in the UK, no the WORLD lol.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

what is your latest power figure matt with and without gas?

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Way I see it; there is one FACT that sorts the men from the boys in hp claims, and that is that a 'modified' grey does for most folks.

Then a double grey fits the bill for the very few who need it.

But there is only one person I know who's slipped a double-grey.

I take dyno figures with a pinch of salt; 244hp sounds awfully high for a mere 16psi for example. Clutches are the one thing that seem pretty consistent.

but surely a clutch slips from torque ,not bhp ? so you could have 244 bhp and lower torque than would slip the clutch ,or have i got this all wonky ?

Medusa + injection = too much torque for the dyno ..https://youtu.be/qg5o0_tJxYM

Hi,
Robert .. your right it's the big dollop of torque you get from the turbo, that gives the clutch a hards time. I would imagine a big shot of gas has the same effect. Add the two together...... you don't need a diagram
Cheers,
Gavin :)

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Cheers for your input good people. But try not to go into what i have more then what others have achieved in past

Jim my last fig was with gas and will have to be if I want to go forward in the power room, with the actuator wound in a few more turns and my bleed valve wound open another 2 or 3 turns! I still couldn't get and more then 24 ish psi.

Dave I had never thought of it like that, when the turbo and the gas came in the clutch shot the revs up, Smelly! (this has never happened in the history of the car, and even on the road it still doesn't happen.....but I guess it wouldn't with not much traction)
So to get over this we waited until the main torque from the boost was in and done, and then bought the gas in, there is a small dip in the graph where it's started to slip, but thankfully it held on for one more run.

Regards
MW

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

Well by my math, 7000rpm and 244hp is 183lb ft.
And we know mid-range torque is going to be more, that says it all to me....

Matt,

At least your claimed hp can be backed up by science.

By my calcs 24psi on a 1293 at 7000rpm will put out 237hp.

The Ozzie claim of 244hp at 16 psi is laughable.

Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

not sure how you got that mate but your figs look bloody close. I have a little less than that as i rev a little less, but very impressive.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

It's simply done by calculating the airflow based on engine capacity, compressor efficiency, intercooler efficiency and engine volumetric efficiency.

From the air flow you can work out the horsepower using the air fuel ratio and brake specific fuel consumption.

There is a lot of guess work but it shows which claims are bollocks!

The above 237hp is without NOS by the way.

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Saul Bellow - "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
Stephen Hawking - "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."

What sort of trap speeds do you manage ?? They are usually a good comparator fo power levels.

ET's can vary wildly, but traps should be failry consistent.

How do they compare with other similar weight cars over the 1/4 ?

9.85 @ 145mph
202mph standing mile
speed didn't kill me, but taxation probably will

worth plugging them figs into this, and scanning the maps.

http://www.motorgeek.com/index.php?page=6

Surely you know yours IS the most powerful Matt.
(Well done by the way)
Paul

I seriously doubt it!

whats the new figure then matt? :)

Well alex that's great very impressed mate, cheers for the pdf showing me. and cheers for the other link mini13, i will give it a go, just don't know what half the stuff in the boxes are, but there you go

Paul, not really mate that was why i asked, as there always seems to be someone that bigger and better then what ever you do, so it's why i'm asking.

Hi Steve, not really wanting the post to be about my car and it's speeds, just trying to see about other cars powers

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

what about that a series that morspeed did?
with 300bhp with the clutch slipping? or doesnt the count as i think it was with a 16valve head?


so what mag are you going to be in matt?
and when will it be out?

cheers
josh

Edited by JT on 23rd Nov, 2006.

My build thread..

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=542985

Hi josh yes was really after an a series with the good old 5 porter

Nothings been set in stone about the mag, but i will let you know when i get news for sure, look silly if i start saying now and it doesn't happen.

Best 1/4 mile 13.2 seconds @116 mph
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on a carb?
First 5 port miniturbo to make over 200 bhp on Injection?

http://www.mattwoodsphotography.com

Well I think that any 200+ powered A series mini owners would have found their way onto this site or at least to an event where someone from here was,

the mere fact that we haven't heard of them suggests to me there isn't any more out there (not real ones anyway!)

Miniwilliams do you run some funky custom cam? initialy i was thinking that if your running a phase 2 then the aus motor could give the same power at less boost if its running an RE13 as it is a pretty aggressive cam (from what i've heard), but i'm sure that i remember a post hinting at somthing special from kent cams in your engine, and besides 16 psi sounds to low boost for that power as stated above.

imo
it depends what rr you go to at the end of the day as there all a bit differnt!!

My build thread..

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=542985