T2, STAINLESS EXHAUST MANIFOLDS 3 piece kit
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just gauging some intrest on these guys,'ve had some manifolds made,

most of you if not all will know what these do so no need to gointo that,
now all i want to know isifit would be worth while getting a large batch made up?say 20+ for now?
it would bring the cost down.
im picking up another one tommorrow with a 'screamer 'pipe coming from the elbow,which is optional,as are lambda sensor bosses.

comments please


Moz









Moz

Edited by rubicon on 25th Oct, 2007.

How much?

In the 13's at last!.. Just

no offence but thats a blatent copy of the mirage ones.

If i was Rich from Mirage i'd be mighty pissed off.

I'm not sure if I am happy these being sold on this forum for the reason given above.

i wondered how long it'd take for someone to try and cash in on mirages hard work.

iain what do you think could have been done to improve your manifolds? are they reniforced as per fisrt pic?because my set were crap imoo and they cracked along the top,also what do you think of the down pipe?

these are better product than mirage manifolds ,im sure alot of you have seen mirage manifolds?they are not an amazing quailty product.
now if im wrong please say,mirage have used the only possible design to allow some one to use a t2 without cutting bulkheads?so is it wrong to try to improve on a product?
and at £250 for the whole kit its alot cheaper too


Cheers
Moz
(mods if you want to delete no problem at all)

I see it this way. If Mirage hasn't sort of protected his product in any way, it isn't illegal to copy and sell. However, it would take quite som nerve to do it, and I bet that you won't have many loyal Turbomini customers. BTW, the pipe that goes from the ports are angled 45 degrees downwards. Not good if you're supposed to sell a superior product.
I'd check with Mirage first, you might end up with som legal issues if they've patended their product.

I think youll get away with it, so long as your not selling them on a large level 1 or 2 to friends ect. Id just be careful like Vegard says.

They do look pretty tho!

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


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cheers V,
and as you say mike i only have 2 at the moment, and was going nationwide,just seeing if i could help any body out.

if you are interested please pm me for more details..etc
so mods can close this now sorry to piss you off

You get competition in every product for sale, why not here? IMO as long as its legal i cant see the problem.

I must admit i do like the little men to make a buck a or 2.

People get shafted enough by the government. Theyll be taxing air next. I feel im going off topic now so ill shut up.

Edited by MikeRace on 25th Oct, 2007.

1/4 Mile 14.3secs 96Mph Terminal 10psi of boost.


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I totally agree, especially in the mini market their are copies of everything and 99% of you have bought them so whats the problem?

[quote=rubicon,25th of Oct, 2007 at 10:30am]mirage have used the only possible design to allow some one to use a t2 without cutting bulkheads?
quote]

This is just a poor excuse for a blatent copy. There are lots of different ways to acheive this. As for improvement, there are many ways to improve the mirage IMO, but what has been done here as not addressed any of them.

Fine make one for yourself and friends, but selling on here is not a great idea.

Ben

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A man without a project is like a like a woman without a shopping list.

how many companies sell supercharger kits using the bini charger and an SU on a bit of exhaust pipe just like vmax?

what about those KAD style quick shifts that fall apart the first time you use them?

or the vast array of super minifin drums that arnt super minifins

i dont like it but it happens all the time. the original designer ends up getting shafted for his design costs and eventually if this carrys on no one will design stuff as there's no money in it

some peeps have some valid points here but........................

in my book its competition simple as that, like me cutting heads on here

am i copying say ... MED or V max ?
NO! its my own version on the same thread and cheaper

good luck to rubicon & more money in our pockets and some in his

just my opinion

Agree with benross and turbo shed everything gets copied if its any good! Its one of them things at the end of the day you pay your money and take a choice! If its wrong to sell these is it wrong for jason to sell the bulkhead boxes?

thanks for all your comments,
Moz

This is a touchy subject - and I am not surprised it's finally happened.

Personally - I'd have had a LOT more dignity about myself however, and certainly NOT used the companies name that you have copied in the TITLE of your own advert...


With that said - I'd expect that this post could be locked if someone wanted it to be.

However - if you as a private individual - put up a post mentioning that you had made manifolds that allowed the T2 to be fitted without bulkhead mods - and if anyone else could be interested in a set to contact you..... Well, that wouldn't likely get folks on the offensive like this one does.

End of the day - Mirage ones were developed, and Rich has made coin off them i suspect. This fella has plagiarised the design, and is undercutting the original supplier. Welcome to the world we live in.

Myself - I couldn't justify 350 quid on a set of manifolds (which at todays exchange rate makes them VERY expensive to me). I've already got a jig to make a manifold to put a T2 onto an engine without bulkhead mods - and I'll be making my first manifold over Winter for a friend over the other side of the state... I get to hone my Tig skills, he gets a set of manifolds to do the job.

I note your comment:

"mirage have used the only possible design to allow some one to use a t2 without cutting bulkheads"

However - I do think part of the problem here however, is that you had - in your possession - a manifold from mirage, and possible have allowed this to influence your design. However - you have made changes (improvements?) so again - it isn't a like-for-like copy.

The public will ultimately decide; And a comparison between the Moz and Mirage manifolds will no doubt appear in due course.


Good luck I say. But don't expect the same response form others.

cheers dave.

I think you have hit the nail on the head there, as ever, TD. In principle I welcome competition and the consumerism way of life. I am all for quality at a lower price. However there is a reason what washing power adverts always compare to the 'Leading Brand' and not to a named competitor.

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cheers ben,sounds likea little marketing prep wouldnt have gone a miss,lol

Moz

Did Avonbar produce the first bulkhead box, or were they copying a design made by ERA?

I wasnt having a go rubicon. But like others have said the way the advert came across was that you had mirage manifolds, copied them and flogging them cheaper.

I'm not denying that the mirage manifolds dont need some improvement, some of which may be done i dont know as i got a fairly early set.

no probs iain,i see that ive done it all the wrong way,lol
thanks for your feedback matey

Moz