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Matt if that is true then that is by far the best post you have made to date and a real shame you were not only more adult in what you posted here but more professional, the problem you have is you have come across or have been aggressive in your posts and people just do not forget that, i would not buy a ecu from you because of your previous posts its just unprofessional and reflects on your business i mean why would i buy from someone who comes across as abusive and dishonest.

Edited by wolfie on 19th Jul, 2013.

Wolfie,

Completely appreciate that. I hope one day, at a show, rolling road day, etc, however, we meet and you can realise how I am, rather than how I have appeared on here, for which I can only apologise.

As you can see, the posts pointed out by the other guys, who still go on at me, are from 7 years ago, I have had my back against the wall for so long now, fighting faceless 'haters' for no real reason, that it kind of got to me. I am hoping my last post shows what really happened, and what led to my anger. I can say though, I have never been dishonest in my replies ever, so if anything you can trust that, or indeed look around the web and see what peopl who HAVE dealt with me have to say...

That being said, I wish Sproket, perf etc no harm, and hope that they are successful in their ventures, and I am succesful in mine. :) I just hope it can all finally be put to bed.....

Cheers,
Matt

Edited by mtechmatt on 19th Jul, 2013.

A very long, but interesting post.

Before the detail, I'll just say I don't trust anyone who changes company names (but still uses same address/assets) to avoid issues from the past. Usually it is to take the cash from the clients they have defrauded and start again at no loss to themselves. Plenty of examples on this forum, many thousands more in the UK but it's down to lack of legislation in the UK - people can do it legally.

Anyway, back to the point.

I don't profess to know all the early detail, I didn't get into MS until a year or so after the "M-Tech" issue started.

I do remember a phone conversation with the one you call "Chuzzy" when I was looking to buy my first "kit" on eBay and his response made me google M-Tech and I ran a mile..... (and bought from DIYAutotune).

So having run that mile, I completely forgot about M-Tech until this thread came up.

I didn't respond at first as I never saw it (I was on holiday in Oz and only using the internet to print boarding cards for our travels) so I was surprised to see, just recently. that NODIZ is actually M-Tech re-born again.

So is the re-born any different ???

Well there are two things in your post I don't understand,

1 - If you had a licence to reproduce the MS2, why did "they" condemn you and post the statement that it was an illegal clone ??? I can understand you falling out with maybe one individual by email (your explanation) and I can understand the problems with quality of the early ones you made under licence causing them to remove the supplies of the licenced ones but your clone story vs theirs simply don't match.

2 - This statement "This was the point this license appeared in the software. Ours was a compatible system. If the user chooses to run MS firmware, they break the licence NOT US."
So where was your completely independent firmware ??? Or where is it now ???
There are many compatible systems, my desktop PC can run MS Windows or Linux to name just the two obvious ones but I paid for it to come with MS (yes, that makes me stupid but I'm too old to learn Linux) so what did yours actually come with ???
I don't know but I'm guessing nothing, just a "suggestion" the MS code would work ???
Please correct me if I'm wrong but this does really seem very vague.

Enough for the moment.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Rod,

Fair questiions.

Firstly, no change of name. M-Tech is a seperate company. It is run from the same address, but M-Tech is the 'meaty' side. It does the fabrication, dyno work, etc. here's the facebook page of what we (with my 'M-Tech Automotive' hat on) do :)
https://www.facebook.com/mtechautomotiveltd

M.E was born because of the MS community's libel against me, that and I also gained a few separate contracts for designing some engine control systems (LPG and other things) and I thought to keep it separate, at the same time gaining a new director, and business partner, whom is in charge of marketing and finances etc etc, leaving me to get on with what I enjoy, making electronics and software! :) My office is based at M-Tech, no reason not to afterall, lowers the overheads of the second company and also does some funky stuff with rateable value of the property or some such (my accountants area not mine I'm afraid!)

So that's the reason of a NEW company, not a CHANGE of name on an OLD company :)

1. The illegal clone stuff came about because I believe Lance was also banned from MS. I really don't know the politics. All I know is we had every right to do so, same as the Mini-MS guy, then all of a sudden 'apparently' we didn't. There was no real licencing in effect when we came on board, just a forum and basic website. All of my posts on the MS forums are gone. I also had the domain megasquirtmaps.com. Some of you may know it. It was a forum I made sharing MS Maps files we produced on our rollers for everyone on the planet, again, my efforts to help the product, not ruin it...
The clone page came about many years after the initial troubles. Perhaps they felt we had a cut of sales they didnt want us to have? Unsure, but again, I no longer sell MS clone ECUs, not for years (maybe 3 or 4!)

2. It was never independent firmware. We were using a version of MSII firmware which was very very old (pre 'politicalities'), but what we believed stable. Some users told us they updated it, we advised against it, but that was up to them. We still support and map customers with megasquirts when phone and say "other suppliers don't have phone numbers, can you help me with my microsquirt" etc.

To surmise:
I no longer supply ANYTHING to do with Megasquirt ECUs. I still help those who need it. I STILL get aggravation about my COMPLETELY NEW products based on stuff from, as illustrated, the SAME people from SEVERAL years ago...

Hope that clarifies things?

If anyone would like to discuss matters further, I can be reached on 01373 30 30 33, of course, ask for Matt. I think speaking to me may yeild more information than how a forum post can appear! I would never expect to hear from people like JBPerf, they choose to go over and over the same stuff and so I expect this to continue for a very long time, the problem I face is deciding when to just stop defending myself. If I felt they were right, I would of given up ALONG time ago, I may not of even of still been trading........

:)

Thanks,
Matt

Edited by mtechmatt on 19th Jul, 2013.

Just to add in the world of faceless internet forums and sales, and register a company anywhere type stuff, would it not of been easier for just to setup as someone else and hide away? yes, it would of been, but I see no reason to. I will stand my ground and defend my position till I retire or die (which will probably happen at the same time!)

Matt

MOVED TO ANOTHER FORUM BY ME UNRELATED POST

Edited by mtechmatt on 19th Jul, 2013.

Interesting you edited this post after your first reply to me.

I think it was the last paragraph (the new version).

I didn't feel the need to copy the post you responded to to me, maybe I should have done ???

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Rod, the only change was that I named someone whom in retrospect I think is just jumping along for fun, rather than instigating it, and so I removed their name.

As long as you base your opinion fairly, ie, no Jury would have those who accuse someone of something to be that Jury, then I am happy to leave things there :)

Cheers
Matt

EDIT:
Rod, in reposne to your earlier comments about Ferrari stuff, you are confusing the company with M-tech racing, who are a ferrari racing team, that would be there that link was made. Cheers

EDIT 2:
In fact, now I have said my peace, I will leave all things at that. The NODIZ is a great product (google it...), that many of you guys are now using with great success, as are many others. My other companies history has been addressed by myself, there is no more or less to add to it. Those from the MS camp who still wish to 'carry on', I welcome their wasted time, I have personally spent far too long on something which really doesn't effect any current NODIZ, or future NODIZ users. They will have the same level of support and service I always gave. The product works, is developed by myself, with no one elses code etc, so thats that, it is what is, and the jury is out on the opinion of the product, not on my companies past, which will always have a response from a megasquirt fan.... regardless of how little they may know about the real situation...

Edited by mtechmatt on 19th Jul, 2013.

I'm not going to quote the whole story but anyone reading this should be aware that Matt's post might change after I post myself. It seems to be what he does.

First just about my own interest in this. The products I sell are not affected by M-Tech products so saying that I make those posts to sell my products is false. However, his (old?) products do infringe on my intellectual property because I have written some parts of the MS2/Extra code.

Second, the story about having a license is laughable. He never had a license and Lance would never give him one nor does Lance have any rights to do such a thing. Only B&G can do that (and I don't know if Matt even knows who B&G are). Also saying that Lance has been banned is another laughable statement which shows he knows nothing about how things work in the MS world other than the stuff he appropriated without permission. Yes there are politics and that's annoying but that happens in a lot of places.

As for saying that he is not responsible for his customers not respecting the license, that's ridiculous. If a product is built that can only work by not respecting licensing agreement then of course the product manufacturer is responsible. Saying that you haven't been sued proves you're right is stupid because the costs involved in such a process would be astronomical especially with the plaintiffs being outside the country. By the way, Matt has not sued either for what he says is libel.

And there never was a license free firmware and it always was intended to be used on approved hardware. So the work around that Matt tries to invoke with his product is wrong.

As for the rest, I'll just ignore it for now except to say that VEMS started to hide their hardware design and their source code about the time he started to be interested in it. Make your own conclusions on it...

http://www.jbperf.com/

Edited by jbelanger on 19th Jul, 2013.

http://www.jbperf.com/

jbelanger,

I have presented whatI know to be true, you have presented what you know to be true.

To recap, however, and my original point...

What has this got to do with Nodiz? Nothing, you drag up some YEARS OLD stuff, that is unrelated apart from one director in the company, whom has always publicly tried to do right. You operate for and on behalf of the Megasquirt clique, so of course, you will try and stir it up whenever you see my name. Good for you. Unfortunately anyone who looks into the Nodiz beyond what a competitor (YOU) post, will see that its a great product (which I have yet to hear you contest), or that the service has always been very good in the last 7 years (which you cannot contest), so yes, I agree, it is laughable.

And as per VEMs, as I said, I already HAD the documents to produce it, but we were not allowed to, so we did not. Please read it properly, maybe you should of quoted me, makes it easier for you to check I guess?

Now please go back to creating PCBs based on application examples from datasheets, as I am sure you have wasted as much time on this as I have...

You have my number, please call me if you wish to discuss this matter further, as frankly I have much more important things to do than defend something that is A) incorrect and B) irrelevant.

I hope B&G pay you a great commission, then again, as a full clique member, you probably do it for browny points at the next MS meet... :)

Have a great weekend, its far too nice outside at the moment here in the UK (a rare chance of summer!) to be stuck on a laptop debating this, as in reality, I'm happy with the Nodiz, as is everyone else :)

Thanks,
Matt

Yawn. Tittle Tattle. Please keep your arguments for a relevant forum.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Matt,

You are the one who has something to do with Nodiz so your history and your business practices are relevant to people who consider buying your product. I am not a competitor nor do I have any stake in whether people choose Nodiz or Megajolt because I have absolutely no relationship whatsoever with either (Megajolt has nothing to do with MegaSquirt).

And your insistence in trying to rewrite history has made me look at a few things and remember how things actually went. Also, your V4 was for sale until quite recently and you marketed it with feature from the MS2/Extra code that has always had a restrictive license and you offered mapping which I doubt was done using the original B&G code (which also had the same restriction). People can still see the page on your web site by googling M-Tech V4 (if it is removed after this post, I have a copy of the page I just made)

So here is how things went:

First, as Matt said, he was assembling kits from DIYAutotune. But he did such an appalling job that it was decided that he would no longer be allowed to do so and DIYAutotune stopped selling him kits. He may have tried other sources but they also dried out.

Then Matt decided that he was going to make his own board but in such a way as to not be obvious. Have a look at this: http://www.msextra.com/doc/clones/index.html. It shows that the original V3.0 board entire layout and silkscreen was copied as best as possible to make it look like a genuine board. That was the first evidence of the type of ethics Matt has and not just bad skills.

When that was found out (or maybe before, I don't know), Matt decided to be even bolder and make his own board: why pretend to have a genuine board when you can claim to have a better product. There was no consequences in stealing intellectual property due to the cost involved in legal fees for international disputes. This is where the V4 came in and it was designed to be used with the MS2/Extra firmware and Matt's excuses about his clients being the ones breaking the licenses is a cop out.

And from that point on, Matt has been defending his product when the subject came up on any forum making claims, accusations and just being a big mouth. You can easily use the same google search to see a few forum exchanges. What is particularly amusing are the threats of legal action on his part for libel.

So Nodiz may or may not be a totally original product but the only person who can claim that is Matt. And as can be seen, his word is not worth much because he seems to be willing to do whatever he feels entitle to to make a few bucks. I know I don't trust him, his company (whatever that one is), and his product. But that's my personal biased opinion. Make what you will of that.

Jean

http://www.jbperf.com/

Rod,

If you cant decide base don what is posted, then give us the opportunity to decide based on personal experience. If you ever need mapping or a RR setup, be sure to get in touch :) I am confident you will be than impressed with our knowledge, courtieusness (spelling?) and overall manner in which we do business..

Until then, I can smell a BBQ have a good weekend!

Matt

jean, Im bored of you now, if you want to get in touch with me, please do so via email. matthew.thorne@motorsport-electronics.co.uk, and I will answer you when I can.

The Nodiz is my own code, it took me eight months to get it right and I am still adding features. its 16x16 ignition, no megasquirt has that, and mine doesn't support -ve advance, something MS does but I thought not to implement at design stage, so I use unsigned ints for my tables, again a complete separate affair. jeez...

Finally, enjoy your weekend!

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Rod,

We weren't planning on attending as traders, but I could see what our availability is. We sometimes take our rolling road along to several shows across the UK, and offer power runs etc. (Its a proper Dyno Dynamics 2WD setup that we have skillfully mastered loading into a van!)

As you know several members of this very forum have taken part in a NODIZ group buy (15 I believe in the end?) so I am sure there will be several NODIZ powered minis up there either way :)

Is this something you think the show could benefit from? I could get in touch with the organisors?

Matt

http://www.jbperf.com/

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

Jean,

I hope that Megasquirt do not one day 'dump' on you, as they did me. Then it is you who will be preaching about business ethics from the other side of the fence. All the people the MS crowd has just 'banned' even those who were within the little circle, I wonder what they would say?

I was giving you the opportunity to carry on this debate privately, as frankly you feel so strongly about something I thought it best to open up a normal method of communication, as I would hate for people to also consider me a keyboard warrior here arguing publicly, its just not what I am interested in doing. I will defend myself yes, and I have done, so just please, as I have said, move on.

You are not warning them of our excellent engineering, product support, customer relationships we have built or anything, you are just trying to muddy waters. as I said, get over it, I am, and I think most of the other readers are as well.

I think the best thing you could do, is buy a Nodiz, asses it, report what you find, how you found us to deal with, and then yes, you have a point on this topic, otherwise, you don;t have anything, other than a grudge.

Sorry people I know I say enough is enough, I try and move on, but then I hit refresh and there he is..... argh!

Matt

Rod fair comments, I'm not after the mini market par se, just protecting my reputation. I may find a reason to make the voyage regardless, and get stuck into the mini crows. My first car was a yellow (I think clubman) reg RBD 6V, anyone know if its still about???

If you're there I'll talk to you, face to face.


Can't say fairer than that, avoid all the keyboard warrior stuff.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

All I can say is fair play to matt, for not losing your rag, and being diplomatic with answering all the questions posed to you.

I really couldn't give a toss whos's "copied" who's homework in the passed, it happens everywhere, always has, always will!

If matts product is as good as he says it is, then it can only be a good thing to have an alternative to megajolt. The price of the units has sky rocketed over the past few years, as people really don't have any other choice.

It sounds like you have the facilities, so it might be worth offering a fitting and mapping service too? Getting your face known at the shows can only help with people having a bit more of an open mind with your product too.

Just my 2p worth.

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1/4mile in 13.2sec @ 111 terminal on 15psi

Matt,

I've said what I needed to say and it is not about me. There are a lot of things and politicking that went on behind the scenes in Megasquirt world but that is irrelevant.

There is nothing muddy about what I presented. But you're not the only one who has done this; it has been done in Germany, in Brazil and other places (funny it never happened in the US where B&G are located...). It just shows that people will exploit something if they think they can get away with it. And there are enough people around who don't give a shit about ethics (for lack of a better term) to make that profitable.

So continue to deny and paint yourself as a victim. The only good thing I can say is that you seem to have stopped using the MS IP which would be a good start.

Jean

http://www.jbperf.com/