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A good watch whether your for or against *wink*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkPFZWd8wj4...player_embedded

Edited by Brett on 12th Apr, 2011.

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Thanks for that, i've been wanting to know exactly what it does. Are there any of us on here using water injection?


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Great video but fuck me is he annoying!


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Sprocket did you lend them your piston for that video?


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On 10th Apr, 2011 george91 said:
Thanks for that, i've been wanting to know exactly what it does. Are there any of us on here using water injection?


yes


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emm... and when the jet gets blocked and you loose your engine!

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Is that speaking from personal experience Matt?

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Miniwilliams

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nope just what i've heard, doesn't seem worth it for our engines, if you have a good IC.

Edited by Miniwilliams on 10th Apr, 2011.

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Only if you are using it for more boost or advance. In most suck through setups it helps put the intake into a safer temp zone.

I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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I use it for more boost and advance. It's bollocks that water injection, if properly installed, is anymore susceptible to blockages than fuel injectors. Forged pistons as opposed to more brittle cast ones, water filters, failsafes in the ecu and knowing what pre ignition sounds like are all excellent solutions to failure resulting in damage.


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On 10th Apr, 2011 Miniwilliams said:
emm... and when the jet gets blocked and you loose your engine!


very rare for it to happen, but yes it can happen.

Some people dont apply any fuel/timing adjustments until intake temp is seen to drop which is a safe bet the system is working. Or you can get flow meters which can do the same thing.

Although the intake temp method is flawed and does of course depend on intake temps in the first place.

But the systems now are very reliable.

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On 10th Apr, 2011 Miniwilliams said:
nope just what i've heard, doesn't seem worth it for our engines, if you have a good IC.


it can be very worth it, but depends on the setup.

If your CR is low enough, or fuel of high enough quality for boost used that your engine isnt knock limited, then chances are you wont see any benefits.

But if you cannot run an optimal ignition advance before detonation occurs, then yes you can see benefits regardless of intake temps.

If using fancy or race fuel, then chances are unless your intake temps are sky high, it probably isnt worth it.

But for pump fuel cars, running a decent amount of boost it is worthwhile.

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On 10th Apr, 2011 stevieturbo said:


On 10th Apr, 2011 Miniwilliams said:
nope just what i've heard, doesn't seem worth it for our engines, if you have a good IC.


it can be very worth it, but depends on the setup.

If your CR is low enough, or fuel of high enough quality for boost used that your engine isnt knock limited, then chances are you wont see any benefits.

But if you cannot run an optimal ignition advance before detonation occurs, then yes you can see benefits regardless of intake temps.

If using fancy or race fuel, then chances are unless your intake temps are sky high, it probably isnt worth it.

But for pump fuel cars, running a decent amount of boost it is worthwhile.


Yes. It's not the bolt on tuning option it's sold as on occasion. It's to allow exploring boost/advance settings out of the ordinary.


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Knock limited at 19 psi on pump fuel, no issues at 30psi with water/meth.

Definately worth it on a road engine that runs high cr normally :)

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I think it's a supercharger suck through must have...

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Out of interest are those of you using water injection using just water or a mix with methanol?


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100% water but then I haven't tried any mix. but then I have only just started down this road.

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The debate about mixes could go for a long time.

General consensus is 50/50 is best. Most yanks will say 100% meth is best, others will say water.

But there is no question water IS the best at removing heat. But perhaps if you dont need so much heat removed, and want to add octane in a roundabout way, using meth will be better.

But tuning the engine aggressively on meth means it will shit itself if the meth fails.

If you just use water then fueling requirements wont change as much, so if it failed, it could be a little safer depending on how much timing it allowed you to add.

Plus obviously 100% meth carries dangers due to how volatile it is.

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WI sounds appealing to me as a drag racing additive but not as a day in day out road additive.

I guess if you had FI you could have a wet map for the strip and a dry map for the road.

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imo WI is perfect for pushing well beyond the limit for a short amount of time ie drag racing
and imo the engine should not be dependant on it for say nipping to the shops

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On 13th Apr, 2011 stevieturbo said:

If you just use water then fueling requirements wont change as much, so if it failed, it could be a little safer depending on how much timing it allowed you to add.


Interestingly the fuelling didn't have to change on my car post WI on 100% water.

I run a supercharger and I don't care the TB is on the wrong side.
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Great when setup correctly but if you run out of water your finished!! other problems when jets fail/block, ive seen engines literally stop sized instantly.

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