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Hi all I was going to take my gearbox somewhere to have it upgraded to straight cut gears.

Take a look at this link on ebay would this be suitable for my 1989 turbo.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...:MEWA:IT&ih=019

I was going to take it somewhere to get it fitted to the engine, I have the Cross Pin Diff on my engine now as my daily driver and im running 8psi but want to run 10. I got advised to upgrade to straight cut gears because there stronger but dont real now what I am looking for.

Thanks for looking Chris


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dont forget to buy some staight cut drop gears aswel.


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Hi,
Beware, that company as far as I know from a previous post on here, just fit the gearset to an old box. They don't replace any of the bearings....
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icklemini is somone that iv only heard good things about gearbox rebuilds, in fact does anyone know his email addy?

if so could you pm me please.

sorry for the thread hijack but it is sort of related!

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Are you sure you need straight cuts at that boost? I'd personally spend the money on a properly built helical and the change on making the car handle a little better.

just my 2ps worth

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to be honest I dont realy know what gears are best for me I was just told buy the R+R Enginner that if I wanted to run 10psi as a daily driver I would need to upgrade the gearbox.

Now I have some spare cash I was going to buy one newly Built ready for when mine fails.

Can you recommend a gearbox and clutch for my standard engine and wheres best to buy from?


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I got £700 to spend


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I'd go straight cut, it will be better in the long term if you wish to up the boost and increase the power etc in the future. *wink*

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i have straight cut box and drops. i've done long distances and dont mind the noise BUT they do wear out quick so in my opinion not a great idea for a daily drive. mine showed signs of wear after 5,000miles and its a JKD gear set


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Id Say a rebuilt helical with a 4pin diff and SC Drops.

Ive asked the question before, i think this was the general consensus but ill stand corrected.

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If it is a daily driver I'd go for a fully (ie. properly by hogster or somebody similar) rebuilt gearbox using an MPi gearset or an S gearset (do a search for ratios and TurboDave and you'll find a good ratio chart).

Make sure the case and transfer case is all in good nick then use the standard drops with quality bearings and again make sure it's all as it should be.

A 4 pin diff is esential IMHO. Use a higher final drive if it's a true daily, I'm going for 2.7 in Candice's car but 2.95s are easier to get hold of and a good choice.

The box will be quiet, smooth and reliable. Anything upto around 140BHP will be fine so long as you don't launch it off every set of lights.

I personally find SC gears unbearable (to the point I get a headache after about 20 mins!!!!). Others say they can live with them.

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How fast and how expensive ...... the same question...

On 27th of Sep, 2007 at 12:45pm Jimster said:

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Brilliant so Hoster can rebuild me a box I will send him a PM.

Will £700 be sufficent to buy the drops bearing and the rebuild? I already have a x pin diff I fitted it when I was putting the engine in.

I only want to run about 120 bhp but I have reconed the head and fitted an uprated alloy billet actuator and a calibra turbo charge cooler at the mo


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Hi,
You should have plenty of change from £700 :)
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On 6th of Sep, 2007 at 06:30pm MiniTurboBadBoy said:
Brilliant so Hoster can rebuild me a box I will send him a PM.

Will £700 be sufficent to buy the drops bearing and the rebuild? I already have a x pin diff I fitted it when I was putting the engine in.

I only want to run about 120 bhp but I have reconed the head and fitted an uprated alloy billet actuator and a calibra turbo charge cooler at the mo


If your only looking for 120 BHP then stick with helical drops. I've been putting 122 BHP (NA) through mine for a while now, previously they were in a 160 HP turbo build and had done a fair amount of time in a 100 ish BHP NA. Seem to remember they came out of a 100K + MG Metro .... Probably done about 150K miles by now.

Just make sure the thrust surfaces are in good order ......

If I'm right AlexB ran about 140 BHP though his helical set, NeilJ1968 is running 138 BHP through his and I am planning Candice's build around helical box / drops and about 125ft/lb torque / 140 BHP.

Spend the money that you save on an MJ set up to improve the drivability and some bits for the suspension. Make a great driving road car!

Edited by RogerM on 6th Sep, 2007.

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having just installed a mini its straight cut gear set in mine , i can definately say that its no louder in 4th than it was before ,1st 2nd and 3rd sound like a big supercharger , which i quite like ,and 4th is silent , so for cruising along it is no prob .

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On 6th of Sep, 2007 at 02:11pm Turbo Shed said:
i have straight cut box and drops. i've done long distances and dont mind the noise BUT they do wear out quick so in my opinion not a great idea for a daily drive. mine showed signs of wear after 5,000miles and its a JKD gear set


What, the sc gears showing signs of wear after 5.000 miles ?
You must be hammering them *tongue* im just building a sc & dc box.
Hope mine dont show signs of wear after 5.000 mile.. thats the only reason i went for them, coz there meant to last longer then standard.?

Anyway. i won a sc box of that company, at £260 ish. but i wasn't happy with it at all. so sent it back, and asked to send me the new gears instead, and ill build it my self..they come and there top gears now :)

there this type.
http://www.minispares.com/Product.aspx?pid=36035
And you just use your old first and reverse gears.

Its says it comes with a 3.7 crownwheel and pinion with a standard diff.. but mine come with a 3.4 crownwheel and pinion with a standard diff for free... *tongue* so that will be going on ebay.
As for drop gears. i got these..

PRIMARY GEAR
http://www.minispares.com/SearchResults.as...Simple&ty=&rt=1

INPUT GEAR
http://www.minispares.com/SearchResults.as...mple&ty=fi&rt=1

IDLER GEAR
http://www.minispares.com/SearchResults.as...mple&ty=fi&rt=1 got this idler gear coz im gready.

But you could get this idler gear. http://www.minispares.com/Product.aspx?pid=36785
alot cheaper. but needs the bearing, as the one i got dont..

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Really Rob ..... interesting .... mine were Min-Its supplied too (where else???) and they were LOUD!!!!

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sc gears will show signs of ware but doesnt mean the are worn out though, my drops have looked the same for years with slight piting on the teeth but havnt got worse, they must be 10-11 years old now, but gear set is 7 years old and doen fair few miles but the same again pitting marks along the teeth but has been the same for years.

no probs about building you a box mate but i wont garentee a helical box on a turbo lump.

personaly i would save a few more pennies go sc right thorugh, because you will end up anyway with a engine running more boost than that after a few yaers if not quicker.

one lesson i learnt from mat woods is when you have so much you always want more and he is right.

first its 10 psi then 12 then 16 then 20.

but if you want one built then no probs.

labour cost is the same for either so its upto you mate.

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On 6th of Sep, 2007 at 11:04pm RogerM said:
Really Rob ..... interesting .... mine were Min-Its supplied too (where else???) and they were LOUD!!!!


dont forget rog ,,,i still have helical drops ,like stevie .

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On 7th of Sep, 2007 at 07:04am turbo hogster said:

one lesson i learnt from mat woods is when you have so much you always want more and he is right.



Hoggy makes a good point there

The trouble with these engines is that once you start you want more and more and more. So i now find if you can afford it to put the best in to cover all eventualities-its cheaper in the long run

the s/c gears are not that loud if you arent giving it beans, but it they are quite pleasurable to hear them whine

From rogers previous posts, i conclude that he must have rather sensitive ears


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I think s/c would be the ones I need because Im running 8psi now and I want to run 10psi so Im properly going to want to increase the boost further in the future.

I just need to know my limits if im going to be using the car daily.

What sort of boost would my standard engine cope with the s/c box.(as daily driver) and an upgraded clutch.

Everything seems to be in good order with the engine. I havnt had any problems other than having to set the timing.


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are you running an intercooler yet?

and are you running a verto or a pre verto setup?


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Im running a charge cooler from a calibra turbo. Im not sure what type of clutch setup it is. Its just standard 1989 metro turbo.


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With that clutch set up I'd think you'd struggle to transmit more than about 130ft/lb of torque ...... you could do the mod robert has done if you need to carry a bit more than that.

I've always said that if your on the verto clutch there is no need for SC gears as the clutch will slip before the box goes!!!!

Every day is a school day ...........

How fast and how expensive ...... the same question...

On 27th of Sep, 2007 at 12:45pm Jimster said:

why do you you think I got a girlfriend with small hands?


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So if I am going for the s/c gears I will have to upgrade to pre verto setup aswell. I will look into getting that done aswell just take my engine to hogster. I have pm him. Thanks for your advise guys.

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