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pot_dan

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I have to decide on the clutch wether I should go pre verto or RTS my verto and was wondering how many miles have people done with no problems?

Thanks dan




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I've done around 1000 miles without a problem so far. It's got better with age if anything.

RTS all the way!

In the 13's at last!.. Just


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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3-4k,

robert has probably done about 10k now

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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paneermeel

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What is RTS????

there is nothing wrong with a A-series that a turbo can't fix.

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On 9th Mar, 2011 paneermeel said:
What is RTS????




Abit of bedtime reading :)


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On 9th Mar, 2011 paneermeel said:
What is RTS????


robert twin spring


pot_dan

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Joe are you still doing kits for these? I have decided this is the option for me *smiley*




Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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I do have some bits somewhere,

IMO your best baseing them on the AP units that have the pressed steel ring on, they are much easier to do, and they seem to work better too.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Rick.SPI

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how much does making one of these setups cost, it looks good, however i dont really understand it fully. im not 100% sure what clutch im having in mine yet.

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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you need two AP Verto clutches to pull apart,

9 x M8x20mm cap heads,
9x spacers 11mm OD, ID M8 clearance, Length depends on the thickess of the springs fromt he verto's

apart from that you obvoisly need the Verto slave assy, and if you want a light flywheel either an MED or minipsares verto rear.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Rick.SPI

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im not sure what my flywheel assembly is, its an ally one but not sure on which type yet... ill have to find out.

if its right tho i think im gonna havea try at this setup, will it handle around 200 nanas?

Edited by Rick.SPI on 9th Mar, 2011.

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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If its ally it wont be a verto,

the Verto has Fingers like a convetional clutch,

this is an AP one,

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MINI-VERTO-FLYWHEEL-...=item19c3c65558

Roberts running one at 200+ nana's and matty is running one on probably more.

esentially you pull apart 2 std vertos (that will hold about 100hp) and double the springs up, pretty much doubling the strength, the added benifit is that you get much less pressure on the crank thrusts in comparison with a normal mini clutch of the same strength, (approx 1/3), I also think they give better feel too.




On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



madmk1

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joe mate i think it would be good if you or somone could do a how 2 on them.

I have started posting on Instagram also my name on there is turbomk1golf

Nothing is impossible it just costs more and takes longer.

On 1st Nov, 2007 Ben H said:
There is no such thing as 'insignificant weight saving', it all adds up.


Rick.SPI

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ah well thats a bummer...

On 17th Feb, 2011 apbellamy said:
I popped my first one out the other day...


Joe C

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If someone sends me two AP verto's I'll do a how to.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



hazpalmer

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i was trying to read up on this last night, bit over my head. A how to would be helpful


wolfie

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i have one Joe postage will be a killer though

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Rob Gavin

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Joe - might have a couple at the workshop. I'll check tonight - I'm heading down to Southend next weekend for a few days so could catch up then

Rob


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Sounds good Rob.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Rod S

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Joe,

Silly question time......

How you tell the AP and (presumably) Valeo apart ???

I don't mean for genuine ones, presumably they are stamped by the manufacturer, but I have a brand new one, NOS but unboxed, and it has no markings.

So how do I know which it is a copy of ???

Rod.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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On 7th Oct, 2009 Joe C said:
Ok, back to the original topic.....

there are two (or more) types of verto, and they have different spring ratios.

the first (AP) has a larger outside diameter to the spring, but pivots in the same place giving a "wider" spring that i suspect will have a more linear spring rate. this type usually but not always has the tin retainer ring above the spring and has the wavy body plate, with the cut outs. also the spring on these is a true "cone" shape.


the other type (Valeo) has the solid, flat body plate, and just the rivets, the spring on these "kinks" up toward the release bearing at a steeper angle.




the distance from where the release bearing contacts the spring to the piviot point of the spring is 36mm for both types, however, the distance from the pivot point to where the spring contacts the "backplate" is 21.5mm for the first type with the larger spring (giving a leverage ratio of 1.67), and 14mm for the other type (giving a 2.57 ratio).


at mini in the park i was suprised to find that my RTS was harder to press than roberts or mattys, who both have stronger springs (on paper) but now knowing this, i'm speculating this is the reason as i'm sure robert and matty both have the 2.57 ratio setup, and mine is the 1.67 type.



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...id=10207&fr=250

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


Rod S

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Thanks for the back-link Colin, seems my non-genuine is a Valeo copy, not an AP copy.

Bugger *frown*

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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Just so you are aware, the tech info on lever ratio under the picture, is as far as I can determine, wrong. The AP has a larger lever ratio than the Valeo type. I measured both springs in the same manor and came up with a far different results for both. I don't know what Joe was using to measure his springs, but it wasnt a calibrated rule *hehe!*



On 11th Oct, 2009 Sprocket said:
I dont know if this has been linked to in this topic but if it has, here it is again

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=4510

Also from my measurements i get the following AP spring lever ratio at 2.41:1 and the Valeo at 2.11 That is by measuring from the centers of the contact points rather than to the outer edges

Edited by Sprocket on 10th Mar, 2011.

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


Joe C

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Carlos Fandango

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Well reminded Colin I must re measure mine while the flywheel is still off,

They all seem to be different though, certainly most of the friction plates I have seen seem to be machined differently where they meet the spring :/

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Rob Gavin

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joe, just checked and the pressure plates i have are all valeo ones

Rob

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