New twist on dizzy's
Turbo Mini Forums

Anyone seen these:

http://www.123ignition.nl/id/20.html

apparently you can flick between loads of preset curves to find one that will suit any engine...wonder if there is a turbo compatible setting?

I think its a good idea, but still gonna go with the MS.

Jo

"Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun"

"did you know you can toast potato waffles?"

Its nearly the price as the MS and is still only 2d!!

The whole advantage of MS is that you compair engine speed AND load to give you the spark advance.

Alex

AlexF

I lifted this from their pdf FAQ file, thought it might be of use to someone trying to figure out a suitable ignition curve for an aftermarket ECU:

(Apparently setting 7 is suitable for metro turbo applications)

Technical data
Operating voltage 4,0 to 15,0 Volts, negative earth only
RPM range 600 to 7000 rpm
Temperature -30 to 85 degrees Celsius
Coil stock coil or "High Energy"-coil, primary resistance not below 1 ohm.
engines all MINI engines ; advance-curves selectable by a switch through the
bottom of the housing

Curve Advance Advance maximum
500-1000 @ 2000 @ 5000

0 10,0 14,5 28
1 10,0 16,7 28
2 10,0 18,4 28
3 10,0 20,2 28
4 10,0 16,3 30
5 10,0 17,6 30
6 10,0 19,4 30
7 10,0 21,1 30
8 10,0 16,2 32
9 10,0 18,1 32
A 10,0 20,3 32
B 10,0 22,9 32
C 10,0 17,0 34
D 10,0 20,4 34
E 10,0 22,1 34
F 10,0 23,9 34

* degrees advance and engine speed both relate to the crankshaft

curve Application and/or Engine Number
number

C 848 Mini UK Vehicles Regular Fuel
F 850 Mini
3 997 Mini Cooper HC
C Mini Cooper S Mk III, 1275 cc
F 997 Mini Cooper LC
C Minor, Van and Pickup, 1098 mini Low Compression
4 Mini early including Wolseley Hornet and Riley Elf
F 850 mini Late Model High Compression
F* 998 Mini Cooper High Compression
F* 998 Mini Cooper LC and special order for low
grade fuel
B Works special for Rally Mini's
C 848 Mini UK Vehicles Regular Fuel
E 848 Mini UK Vehicles Premium Fuel
0 Mini 1000 Saloon, clubman and Estate, 998 cc,
F* 998 Mini Cooper LC
F* 998 Mini Cooper HC, 1971-75 Morris Marina 1.8 TC
E Mini Cooper S Mk III, 1275 cc
A 998 mini Early Model High Compression
B 998 mini Late Model High Compression
A 850 and 998 Mini Automatic including Riley Elf and
Wolseley Hornet, 1100 automatic
B Mini 1000 and Mini Clubman, Saloon and variants,
998 cc,
2 1275 non S Mini, Austin 1300 HC and automatic,
Riley Kestrel 1000, Wolseley 1300 and Vanden
Plas Princess 1300, MG 1300 Automatic
A 850 and 998 Mini automatic, Vandel Plas Princess
1300 and Wolseley 1300 twin carb
B Mini 1000 and Mini Clubman, Saloon and variants,
998 cc, 1972-74: Mini Clubman 1100, 1098 cc,
Allegro 1100
F Later Minis and Moke
C Mini Moke, van and pickup, later models
A 850 and 998 Mini Automatic including Wolseley
Hornet and Riley Elf
5 998 Mini 72 to 74 including Wolseley Hornet and
Riley Elf
D 998 Mini Cooper, late
2 1275 non S Mini, Austin 1300 HC and automatic late
0 998 Mini (Canada) 1975-80, 1974 onward Leyland
(SA) 1.3 van, 1974-77 Morris Marina 1.3, 1975-78
Morris 1.3 HC
4 1970-73 Austin 850 LC, 998 Mini automatic, 850
van and pickup, 1976-78 Morris Marina 1.8 GT and
HL
B Mini 850 Saloon and variants, 848 cc
5 Austin 1000 Mini automatic and Clubman, 1975
Authi Mini 1000
A 1969 Austin 850 Mini automatic, 1976-80 Austin
850 Mini, 1970-80 Austin 1000 Mini automatic,
1976-80 Austin 850 van and pickup, 1970-77
Austin 1100 Automatic,
8 Mini 1000 and Mini Clubman, Saloon and variants,
998 cc, manual and auto, Allegro 1.1
0 1970-80 1275 non S Mini, 1973-79 Austin Allegro
1300 HC,1969-74 Austin 1300 HC Automatic, 1970-
74 Austin 1300 France, 1969-73 Austin 1300
Princess including automatic
C 998 Mini (Canada)
F* Mini 850 Saloon and variants, 848 cc
5 850 Mini, van and pickup
B Minis with engine number 12HC18AA, 12HC19(AA),
12HD20(AA) 12HE41, 12HE42, 1984 onward Austin
Metro 1.3 van, 1981 onward Morris 440, 575 Van
and Pickup 1.3
4 Metro 998, Minis with engine number 99Hxx, 1988-
onwards.
D Minis with engine number 12HC09AA, 12HC10AA,
12HD14(AA) 12HD15(AA), 1983-84 Austin Metro
1.3 HLE
2 Minis with engine number 12A2BG01, 12A2BG03,
12A2BG05.
4 Minis with engine number 12HD09, 12HD10,
12HD11, 12HD12, 12HD13, 12HD21, 12HD22, 1984-
86 Austin 1.3 L and HLE
4 Minis with engine number 12HD17, 12HD24, 1986
onward 1.3 Vanden Plas, 1984 onward MG Metro
7 Minis with engine number 12HD26(AA) 1984
onward MG Metro turbo
A Minis with engine number 12HC17AA, 12HD18
4 Minis with engine number 12HD25
6 Minis with engine number 12HE48, 12HE25


* These engines require more maximum advance than the 123/Mini can provide, but curve F should allow the engine to operate well.

"Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun"

"did you know you can toast potato waffles?"

bollocks, i spent ages getting the spacing correct!!!

ill put it in a spreadsheet.


Different curves:
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/index.php?p=20&id=1992

Curve Application:
http://www.turbominis.co.uk/index.php?p=20&id=1993

Edited by joeybaby83 on 22nd Mar, 2006.

"Turbo's make torque, and torque makes fun"

"did you know you can toast potato waffles?"

Whilst it may well be only 2D, and the same cost as Megawotsit, for 95% of peeps, it is a better option.

Inside of ten minutes, you can transform your ignition system from a points dizzy to what is damn near the ultimate, with nothing more than a 7/16 spanner and a few terminal connections. No Loom to make, no mounting of map sensors, no hassle full stop.

MJ/s vs 123 is like comparing apples with pears at the end of the day; incidentally of which, one of which is nice to eat and usefull in cooking, the other which is soft as shite and unpleasant or hard as knockers and gritty as hell.

Edited by turbodave16v on 22nd Mar, 2006.

Metro turbo weekend driver,Mini turbo in the making again!

I quite like pears, and frankly am quite offended at your remarks Dave.

I think its about time that the pear got some respect from you apple jockeys instead of being cast aside as some inferior deformed fruit.

Nice to see someone making the most of his fruit,
have you noticed any corelation between lemon size and voltage output?

POTATO POWER

Metro turbo weekend driver,Mini turbo in the making again!

what kind of power will a lemon put out?

probably about 0.2 bananas.................

Hi,
It looks like your all getting your 5 a day!
Is that measured in volts or portions?
Cheers,
Gavin:)

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I have never seen a topic go so OT, but be so interesting ever before!

Team Racing

Same as Tom. I'm nearly crying here, and that was an art I thought I's forgotten...:)

Metro turbo weekend driver,Mini turbo in the making again!

If you want to push the lemon experiment...

try using jiff lemon juice



Thats what I use with my students when they study battery technology.

Alex

AlexF

this thread is quality.

its taken off topic to a new level :)

If you rotate the said lemons can you produce alternating current?

excellent, cant wait lol

All very interesting!

So with the current, you will need to measure these???

I second that Mmmmmmmmm

You may like this -

Phil.

WWW.TURBO-MINI.COM

mmmmmm!

front row..... 2nd from the left


THAT MY AMP!!



Alex

AlexF

I am a Trace Elliot man!