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I had help putting the megajolte in, from a friend that have done it before, so I am no expert, but I discovered today that the megajolte still gets signal, even if I take away the wires that my friend said was the wires for the rpm to the megajolt box. (I took them of at the mj side, if I disconnect the sensor the signal disappears

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petterb

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have investigated a bit more, seems like the only wires that is connected to the mj box is 12v supply and the ground but still it gives me rpm(a bit bouncy at times) how can this be? the car starts but misfires

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sounds like you may need to re-wire the MJ,


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difficult to diagnose a sticky valve stem, though that's so scaring, that I think you'll check it whatever we can write.
My idea with megajolt troubles ,
first:untill you have an mpi block:
plug a dizzy on it


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On 9th Jul, 2008 fab said:
difficult to diagnose a sticky valve stem, though that's so scaring, that I think you'll check it whatever we can write.


Its easy Fab, just attach a stethescope to the bolts on the rocker cover, the difference in valvetrain noise is obvious, thats how I found mine.... Also the vacuum/boost guage vibrated badly when they were sticking. ...But yes scary is the word...

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On 8th Jul, 2008 philc said:
sounds like you may need to re-wire the MJ,


I am the one that have helped him wire it up and have done this twice before without troubles, including on my own car of which there are pictures of with the MJ install on here.

The Coil and MJ unit share ground connection, and have the + wire taken from the same place also(IIRC, could you check PJ?). , which is a fuse box behind the dash that provides switched power and is live while the starter turns.

What interests me on this matter is how it can get an RPM signal when the PIP and SAW wires are disconnected? could this be due to voltage fluctuations as Tel describes? or could it be due to a bad ground connection between the engine and car?

Or due to something totally different?

Edited by miniminor63 on 10th Jul, 2008.


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On 8th Jul, 2008 petterb said:
have investigated a bit more, seems like the only wires that is connected to the mj box is 12v supply and the ground but still it gives me rpm(a bit bouncy at times) how can this be? the car starts but misfires


If I remember correctly you can pick up the rpm signal either from the MJ box or from the EDIS, If you are getting rpm at all it must be connected (unless there is a HUGE amount of interference..) Are sure the rpm signal not taken from the EDIS?
also the pip/saw wires must be connected or it would not run!!

Edited by Turbo Tel on 10th Jul, 2008.

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it runs without any more cables than + and - connected to the mj. the cables are connected to the edis unit though. The rpm he talks about is what he sees on yhe pc when connected


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On 10th Jul, 2008 miniminor63 said:
it runs without any more cables than + and - connected to the mj. the cables are connected to the edis unit though. The rpm he talks about is what he sees on yhe pc when connected


I see so he has disconnected the wires then??

Well you cannot say what will happen with open inputs. without them being tied down they could pick up interference as thats not how they should be left.. Its not a good test..

Anyway as he still has a misfire without the MJ connected then the sensor, EDIS, coilpack are all suspect. I would look hard at the sensor, I once has the connector go bad on me. looked fine but caused a missfire, After tugging it a bit one wire finally fell off.

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I tried to rewire the signal cables, but no improvement, I tried sevral different wires. what made the trick was to change the megajolte unit, I was able to borrow miniminors old one, and now it works. Is there a way to diagnose the megajolte? to see whats wrong? can there be a difference between 2 versons that make one of them more reciveble to interference?

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Hi,
Question you need to ask is:
Is there too much interference on my car that has caused the MJ to fail?
If you don't solve the problem the replacement MJ will be next to fail...
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I didnt think that if the MJ PIP/SAW wires are disconnected but power still applied that it would show 0 rpm...

What exactly are you trying to do? I mean, plug the EDIS and MJ wires all in and test it - is there a problem you are trying to ACTUALLY solve ?

You have the VR sensor into the EDIS module. Then PIP/SAW from EDIS module into the MJ - if you disconnect the VR sensor wires from the EDIS module does your problem go away ?

I still think you need to work out exactly what your trying to achieve... I mean, it may be an anomoly or interferance, etc...

What kind of wire is it?
Is it shielded for PIP/SAW?
Did you buy an MJ kit and solder everything yourself or did you buy a pre-build/tested MJ unit?

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Gavin: I am not sure the old mj ever was ok, anyway the new one have run alot longer than the old one have done and no problems yet.

pete: The new mj did not show any rpms when pip and saw was disconnected, the old one did. The new one shows the rpms with no interference, while the old one jumps around.
I have now solved the car, what i really would like to sort out now is the mj unit, if it is possible. so that I dont have to buy a new one when I give the one I am using now back to miniminor63.
My bet is that it is something wrong to the mj, I bought it pre built a couple of years a go, but have never used it.
So my question now is, Is it possible to figure what is wrong with the mj? or should I just buy a new one?

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Hi Petter, if you deliver it to me, I can do a few checks on it with a multimeter, except for that I dont know.


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The likelyhood of your finding the problem with the original is slim, yes I would buy another..

For others reading this thread I still would not read too much into any rpm showing with the signal wires disconnected, doing this is a no-no in electronics problem shooting. A floating input is unpredictable and tells you nothing. Just disconnect the MJ at the plug and if the engine now runs OK then the problem is in the MJ.

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have you tried running it with the dissy back in. I have had to do this with mine just to find the problem


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miniminor, I talked to magne, he aswell promised to have a go, so I'll think i'll send it to him, so can I bother you with something else later instead!

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