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Rod S

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Vertical just holds the sleeve to the linkage back to the stick - you are wasting your time with this one as the linkage rods just spring when you hit the pin.

The horizontal one is the one to do, (a) because you can swing the hammer at your parallel punch and, (b) because the shaft out of the gearbox doesn't spring so your hitting against something solid.

There is one particular gear to select (can't remember if it's 1st or reverse) that puts the roll pin in the ideal position.

Make sure the end of your punch (or whatever you're using) is FLAT and ever so slightly smaller than the pin.... too small, or rounded/pointed at the end and it WILL just spread the roll pin and lock it.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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On 29th Oct, 2008 T-shirt said:
I initially tried to punch through the vertical pin (in neutral if that changes things). Then when I looked at the haynes, realised i was trying to punch through the wrong pin, so changed to the horizontal one.

The horizontal one is closest to the diff housing right??? But they are both pigs.

What does the vertical one hold???
You can punch out either all you have to do is orientate the pin so that it clears the diff housing as it comes out.

Here is a tip when your next under the car pull the selector rod toward you in the line of the roll pin you should see the pin poking out just a little. If you can, hit the end of the pin directly while holding onto the selector rod. After a few strikes you should notice the pin is now flush, from here the rest should be easy

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On 29th Oct, 2008 Rod S said:
The horizontal one is the one to do, (a) because you can swing the hammer at your parallel punch and, (b) because the shaft out of the gearbox doesn't spring so your hitting against something solid.
Blasphemy *surprised*never use a parallel punch to start to drift out pins you will only fubar the punch! If you dont have a tappered punch grind the tip off of a centre punch and use that first, once it starts to move then go to a parallel punch if you have to.

You are making my OCD WORSE!*happy*

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When I was knocking at it last night, the selecter rod (i think?) turns very slightly making life that little bit harder, as it turns, so your not knocking straight at it but sometimes at an angle???
The rod also moves side to side? and the pin sticks out slightly as a result? I get the impression this acts like a shock absorber effect??


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On 29th Oct, 2008 T-shirt said:
When I was knocking at it last night, the selecter rod (i think?) turns very slightly making life that little bit harder, as it turns, so your not knocking straight at it but sometimes at an angle???
The rod also moves side to side? and the pin sticks out slightly as a result? I get the impression this acts like a shock absorber effect??
No it does not the joy of the set up is that there are very few places where mechaical ware can cause your gear change to feel like stiring soup ala Sciroco gear linkages.

That small portion of pin you can see is what you need to hit! Tie a piece of rop around the gear stick to hold it over.

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On 29th Oct, 2008 Mr Joshua said:



Blasphemy *surprised*never use a parallel punch to start to drift out pins you will only fubar the punch! If you dont have a tappered punch grind the tip off of a centre punch and use that first, once it starts to move then go to a parallel punch if you have to.

You are making my OCD WORSE!*happy*


Rubbish !!! What are your punches made of *happy*

Cheese ??? :)

Use a tapered punch and you'll just jam it in the hole as it follows the pin through.....

The real issue though is to make sure the end of it is flat (just like you suggest starting with a hammer alone) anything other than flat will spread the pin, or even flare out the end of it, and make things worse.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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On 29th Oct, 2008 Rod S said:

On 29th Oct, 2008 Mr Joshua said:



Blasphemy *surprised*never use a parallel punch to start to drift out pins you will only fubar the punch! If you dont have a tappered punch grind the tip off of a centre punch and use that first, once it starts to move then go to a parallel punch if you have to.

You are making my OCD WORSE!*happy*


Rubbish !!! What are your punches made of *happy*

Cheese ??? :)

Use a tapered punch and you'll just jam it in the hole as it follows the pin through.....
Snap-on8-) I start by useing a 5/32 tappered then go onto a 5/32 parellel for the last bit. Either way your wrong i'm right*tongue*

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drill it out, and replace it with a bolt and nylock!

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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On 29th Oct, 2008 mini13 said:
drill it out, and replace it with a bolt and nylock!
defeatist :(

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Joe C

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rod change is a pita remote box's are the way forward!

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

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Whats the difference???

Doing a major conversion so anything to make my life easier when I come to take my engine out again!


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sorry i'm dragging this off topic,

the remote change has a big alloy housing that bolts on, bit of an inpracticality to swap to that type for you.
here's som pics of mine anyway....

http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php?p=vt&tid=165426

what may help a fair bit is jacking up just on side REALLY high so you can get a better swing, make sure you have lots of sup[port under the car though.

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



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On 29th Oct, 2008 Mr Joshua said:



On 29th Oct, 2008 Rod S said:

On 29th Oct, 2008 Mr Joshua said:



Blasphemy *surprised*never use a parallel punch to start to drift out pins you will only fubar the punch! If you dont have a tappered punch grind the tip off of a centre punch and use that first, once it starts to move then go to a parallel punch if you have to.

You are making my OCD WORSE!*happy*


Rubbish !!! What are your punches made of *happy*

Cheese ??? :)

Use a tapered punch and you'll just jam it in the hole as it follows the pin through.....
Snap-on8-) I start by useing a 5/32 tappered then go onto a 5/32 parellel for the last bit. Either way your wrong i'm right*tongue*


You are both wrong, you should use the correct roll pin punch. None of this taper shit

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-Roll-Pin-Punch-...1QQcmdZViewItem

Your wrong and I'm right *tongue*

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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On 29th Oct, 2008 mini13 said:
drill it out, and replace it with a bolt and nylock!


I would like to see how sucsesful you are at drilling it out.


I have never ever had a problem knocking these pins out with a parallel pin punch or a the correct roll pin punch.

If you take the driver side wheel off, then you can lay on your side, hold the punch with your left hand and hit it with a hammer in your right hand. Put the gear into reverse. Its a 2 minuit job. The trick is to have the right sized punch. they are not expensive, buy the right tool for the job!!

On 26th Oct, 2004 TurboDave16v said:
Is it A-Series only? I think it should be...
So when some joey comes on here about how his 16v turbo vauxhall is great compared to ours, he can be given the 'bird'...


On 26th Oct, 2004 Tom Fenton said:
Yep I agree with TD........


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Good news! Managed to get the pin out and undo the fork nut.

But where i got the nut off, I cant slide the bolt out to release the fork because it hits the bottom of the exhaust manifold!

Is this normal???


Rod S

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Well, yes and no....

Nothing is "normal" on a Mini :)

You must mean the downpipe (not the cast manifold), but it depends on which type it is, they are all very close to the bolt in the fork end, but some are closer than others......

HOWEVER, if you're doing this work to take the engine out, it would be "normal", AGAIN depending on the make and configuration, to disconnect the downpipe from the manifold before attempting to lift the engine....

If you disconnect it, it will easily push out of the way of the fork-end bolt.

I hope that makes sense...

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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Yeah makes sense,

I shone a torch down the back, and I couldnt see a join between the manifold and the part where the pipe clamps to the diff. So i assumed it to be in one piece. is this wrong???


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depends on the manifold,

On 28th Aug, 2011 Kean said:
At the risk of being sigged...

Joe, do you have a photo of your tool?



http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.p...9064&lastpost=1

https://joe1977.imgbb.com/



Rod S

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Yes, as Joe (mini13) says, from your description of "no join" it sounds like an after-market manifold (ie, LCB, etc) where the original short cast iron manifold and attached downpipe(s) have been replaced by a single fabricated unit....

In which case it depends (again) on what make, and how flexible it is....

Try releasing the clamp to the diff housing at the bottom and putting a simple wooden wedge in there to push your downpipe a little bit away from the diff housing.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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Yeah tried doing that but no good.

I think im gonna have to undo the whole unit. Such a pain is the backside. Nothings ever easy is it.


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In which case, if the manifold/downpipe assembly won't push sideways, and the fork-end bolt won't move far enough to get it out (now it's loose), I would simply push it as far as it will go and put a diamond disc through the remainder....... out in 30 seconds *surprised*

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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Jeeez its just a continous expense atm...tools, cleaning stuff...angle grinder!!!


Rod S

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Well you could use a hacksaw blade.... very slowly.... but you need to realise that working on these "antiques" is NOT going to be easy !!!!

Welcome to the world of Minis (or any other classic car of that age...)

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???


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For what its worth il buy a grinder. Dont fancy wasting my time with a hacksaw blade.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/...2-grinder/path/

This looks ideal. And not expensive. Mni magazine awarded it.


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Put a diamond disc on it for this type of cutting...

And do not risk your eyes, especially when working close-up as you will be if you chop the bolt with one of these... I have a small scar on my left eye to prove how foolish I was - my left eye vision will never recover which makes it really hard soldering PCBs, so having to look close up - for my project.

Schrödinger's cat - so which one am I ???

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